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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
R. Sickbert wrote: The more worrisome aspect in my mind are the instances of the unknown for Melee purposes. Let's say a stack of three units of XXX. So what size stack are they......300 or maybe a 1000. Only one way to find out. The more I am playing with it the more I am liking it. That is a very interesting aspect because players have to think if they want to "reveal" there strength by doing assaults. If one assaults a position the casualties he inflicts give a slight clue how large the attacking force was and by that the defender knows if you can in return drive the attacker back or should better stay in place. Same counts if the defender fires and inflicts just few casualties on the approaching enemy, by that the attacker might know that he can take the position without too much trouble. |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Hi, We are playing the Hancock's Advance scenario (009?) and I noticed that while strength is given for on-map Reb artillery, the Union artillery strength shows zero for every battery. Is there a reason for this? Just curious. |
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| Author: | Rich Walker [ Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
mihalik wrote: Hi, We are playing the Hancock's Advance scenario (009?) and I noticed that while strength is given for on-map Reb artillery, the Union artillery strength shows zero for every battery. Is there a reason for this? Just curious. Do you mean an "X" Are you playing extreme FOW? I played with it and did not see any zeroes. |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Hi, Rich, I mean when checking strength in the strength dialogue under info. It has no real bearing on playing the game. Just curious. |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Hi, Another minor problem in Hancock advances; two 152nd NY infantries. At least explains how the north won the war; they were cloning regiments. |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Likely typos, don't see any 152nd NY at all in Gettysburg, and in the range of 150-160 there should only be 150th, 154th and 157th at all but none under Hancock. Maybe a typo with the 52nd and 125th NY. |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Hi, I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I finally got around to checking out the parameter data on weapons effectiveness. To my surprise, there appears to be a philosophical change in that some rifled artillery is more effective at close range than some smooth bore artillery of the same size. In any event, this weapons effectiveness table is quite a departure from those of previous titles. Will someone verify this is what was intended? |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Doesn't seem to be all, 24lbr Smoothbore & Rifled are an example but then 32lbr Smooth & Rifled looks normal again, maybe other things were considered especially with the siege setting that Petersburg provides. |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
C. Hecht wrote: Doesn't seem to be all, 24lbr Smoothbore & Rifled are an example but then 32lbr Smooth & Rifled looks normal again, maybe other things were considered especially with the siege setting that Petersburg provides. I considered the siege situation, but the scenarios I have played so far were in normal terrain. This was the one that initially caught my attention. 6lbr Rifled: 14.1 at 1 hex 12 at 2 hexes 11 at 3 hexes 10 at 4 hexes 9 at 5 hexes 8 at 6 hexes 7 at 7 hexes 6 at 8 hexes 5 at 9 hexes 4 at 10 hexes 3 at 11 hexes 2 at 12 hexes 1 at 14 hexes 6lbr Smooth: 7 at 1 hex 6 at 2 hexes 5 at 4 hexes 4 at 7 hexes 3 at 10 hexes 2 at 11 hexes 1 at 13 hexes |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
mihalik wrote: 6lbr Rifled: 14.1 at 1 hex 12 at 2 hexes 11 at 3 hexes 10 at 4 hexes 9 at 5 hexes 8 at 6 hexes 7 at 7 hexes 6 at 8 hexes 5 at 9 hexes 4 at 10 hexes 3 at 11 hexes 2 at 12 hexes 1 at 14 hexes 6lbr Smooth: 7 at 1 hex 6 at 2 hexes 5 at 4 hexes 4 at 7 hexes 3 at 10 hexes 2 at 11 hexes 1 at 13 hexes Indeed doesn't seem to make sense that the rifled version is twice as strong on short ranges. But on the civilwartalk people compare the rifled 6pdr to comparable to a 3.67in or a 14lbr James: https://civilwartalk.com/threads/design ... rs.113044/ And if you look at the values these guns get in the game it may indeed make sense that the rifled 6lbr is that strong: 3.67in Sawyer: 14.1 at 1 hex 14 at 2 hexes 11 at 4 hexes 9 at 6 hexes 7 at 8 hexes 5 at 10 hexes 3 at 12 hexes 1 at 14 hexes 14lbr James: 15.1 at 1 hex 15 at 2 hexes 12 at 4 hexes 10 at 6 hexes 8 at 8 hexes 6 at 10 hexes 4 at 12 hexes 2 at 14 hexes 1 at 15 hexes 0.25 at 16 hexes But let us see what Rich says about this. |
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| Author: | Rich Walker [ Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
I asked John Ferry to have a look, as he is more of an expert on artillery. Many 6 pdr smoothbores were rifled under the James system at the beginning of the war, becoming 12 pdr James Rifles. Some James Rifles were made from scratch, and they were 14 pdrs from the beginning. Most of the confusion these days is caused by guys reading accounts written during the war by officers who played fast and loose with their nomenclature, and then taking it as gospel. Again, "Artillery and Ammunition of the Civil War" by Warren Ripley is the most authoritative. As for Overland's PDTs, most of the numbers are my own. J K 6 pdr Rifle 0--4 395--1 Iron Not found K 1 14.1 2 12 3 11 4 10 5 9 6 8 7 7 8 6 9 5 10 4 11 3 12 2 14 1 -1 Q 12 pdr James Rifle 12--2 23--3 Brass Field Rifled 6pdr 3.67 diameter Q 1 14.1 2 14 3 13 5 12 6 11 8 9 10 7 11 5 12 3 13 1 19 .25 -1 j 6 pdr James Rifle 12--2 391--3 Brass Not found j 1 14.1 2 14 3 12 4 11 5 10 6 7 8 5 10 3 11 2 12 1 14 .5 -1 q 3.67 in Sawyer 438--4 415--1 Iron Field; rare q 1 14.1 2 14 4 11 6 9 8 7 10 5 12 3 14 1 -1 u 14 pdr James Rifle 12--2 160--3 Brass Field built new Not a modified piece. 3.80 diameter u 1 15.1 2 15 4 12 6 10 8 8 10 6 12 4 14 2 15 1 16 .25 -1 |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Thanks, Rich, But I'm still not buying this PDT. |
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| Author: | Rich Walker [ Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Can you point me to a specific unit you are referring to? |
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| Author: | mihalik [ Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
Rich Walker wrote: Can you point me to a specific unit you are referring to? Hi, Rich, Not a specific unit, the whole weapons section of the PDT is different from other games. But as one example, the rifled 6lb is superior to the Napoleon. Yet the field artillery for both armies consists almost exclusively of Napoleons and 3"/10 lb rifles. If the 6 lb rifle is so effective, how come there are so few present? |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Petersburg: Feedback and Fixes, post here |
I'm not aware that any 6pdr were build in the late war, what is here are surely modified guns only. Even the ANV send back their 6pdrs to recast them to 12pdr, by the time of Gettysburg there was just a single 6pdr field gun in the ANV left. Problem in my eyes is that the naming does not really reflect the modification, you simply can't use the weight anymore as benchmark for the weapons performance to compare a modified 6pdr with a none modified 12pdr. |
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