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 Post subject: Mason-Dixon Line
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:19 am 
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Here's something that affects this forum, its name. It seems the Mason-Dixon Line had nothing to do with the Civil War. It was the line established between the states of Pennsylvania and Maryland and Delaware. The line between slave states and free states was 36 degrees,30 minutes latitude established in the Missouri Compromise Act. I know I was taught this in high school but I never realized that the two lines have been confused. Perhaps this forum should be named "Compromise Tavern".

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:59 am 
Oh hell. Way to open up a can of worms! The 36'30" Line established the boundary west of Missouri in the territories and actually never was a line in the United States proper. Not only that we all know how well the 36'30" line worked (see the Kansas-Nebraska Act). To the best of my knowledge there was never any polticially named "line" separating the free and slave states. The Mason-Dixon Line was hardly such a line as Delaware was a slave state right up through the Civil War.

I like the name as is. Then again, the Supreme Court may rule any such line unconstitutional and order us to change the name (see the Dred Scott Decision). If that occurs I suggest we be ready with a backup name. Something like, "The Robert E. Lee Tavern." [:D]

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According to Wikipedia

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The Missouri Compromise of 1820 created the political conditions which made the Mason–Dixon Line important to the history of slavery. It was during the Congressional debates leading up to the compromise that the term "Mason-Dixon line" was first used to designate the entire boundary between free states and slave states.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

So it's an incorrect term used by a bunch of drunken politicians in a debate that lead to a disaster of a compromise. Therefore, very appropriate for our joint Tavern.

Interesting side note: One historic site thought that the name for the South, "Dixie", may have come from the word "Dixon".

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:45 am 
Hmmmmmm......I like the ring of that....The "Robert E Lee Tavern"!!!!......But wait, some of our Northern mambers might object.....Since Lee was more than the match for so many of the Northern Generals, we could be completely fair by including several of them in the name with General Lee. How's this sound?

"The Great Robert E Lee and Various Evil Union War Criminals Tavern"

That should honor them more fairly and properly!!!!!!

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How about the "Gen. Robert E. Appomattox", that should make both sides happy.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:49 am 
Or we could do what sports teams do, "The Robert E. Lee and a Yankee General to be Named Later Tavern" [:o)]

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I'm not sure I would call the Missouri Compromise a "disaster". It certainly was a means of putting off the resolution of an issue that would have to be resolved, but to fault the authors of that act would be also to fault the framers of the Constitution, who also punted on the issue. While it lasted, however, the United States remained whole and grew substantially. It's not at all clear that a resolution of the slavery question was achievable in 1820.

The Compromise held for a generation, until 1850, when it began to unravel over California, and was shredded by the 1854 Kansas-Nebraska Act, authored by Stephen Douglas, and based on the concept of Popular Sovereignty, in which elections would determine whether a state would be admitted to the Union as slave or free. The Act, and Douglas' role in getting it through Congress, became a centerpiece of the Lincoln-Douglas debates during their 1858 contest for the Senate.

Under Popular Sovereignty, Kansas became "Bloody Kansas" as forces for and against the extension of slavery organized nationally to get as many of their own adherents as possible into the territory, and armed each side. Low-intensity warfare became the order of the day, and agreement on what constituted a fair election proved impossible in this context. The conflict in Kansas presaged the wider conflict, and key players like John Brown and William Quantrill became involved.

BTW, Delaware is in fact nearly entirely south of where the Mason-Dixon line would be if extended east from the MD/PA border.

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I should add that the 36/30 "line" was established in the first Missouri Compromise of 1820 and not in the second Missouri Compromise of 1821 or the third in 1850. As far as the name goes, Appomattox Tavern has a nice sound to it.[:p]

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I think the Tavern name denotes the North/South split. I think MOST people consider that line a dividing line.

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When driving up hwy 81, at the state line of MD and PA is a big sign stating Mason / Dixon line [:D]

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I found the Mason Dixon Line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyIMqXA_o8

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I love it! But Yosemite Sam a Reb? say it ain't so!

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I believe it, he never did hit anything he shot at.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Drex</i>
<br />I love it! But Yosemite Sam a Reb? say it ain't so!

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