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| Author: | Blake [ Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Just Saw This |
Read this from another Club's forum regarding JTS Civil War games in general: Some players will do things that rarely happened in the Civil War: splitting off individual regiments and sometimes whole brigades from their parent divisions and corps by huge distances, on independent missions. While done on very rare occasions this, while perfectly legal in game terms can sometimes ruin things for someone who wants to play within the spirit of the period being simulated. Put another way, while you can deploy and maneuver as is if units are in radio communication, there just is no way Civil War commanders could do that. Telegraph maybe, but most orders were verbal or written and delivered by courier. That's every individual's choice of course, and I respect that. I just don't like to do it, and try to work things out with any prospective opponent before getting started. Just made me think is all. |
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| Author: | cameronm [ Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
I am guilty of doing this on a regular basis, however I always pay for it, my command and control goes out the window and my army becomes hopelessly disorganised. As I understand it the command and control in JTS makes it unattractive to take units away from their command structures. |
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| Author: | Quaama [ Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
Yes, "splitting off individual regiments and sometimes whole brigades from their parent divisions and corps by huge distances, on independent missions" is unrealistic and not really "within the spirit of the period being simulated". I have done such a thing on several occasions but from memory it has always been for the same reason. A Yankee unit routs and heads off behind my lines, usually into forest, so I then dispatch two or three units to hunt him down to prevent him recovering at a later time and emerging behind me and possibly attacking artillery batteries in the rear. If an opponent of mine wants to split off individual units as a matter of course I will not interfere as he will be penalised by certain aspects of the game functions [CSA members can read all about it in a fine article titled 'LDR 301 - Command and Leadership' in The VMI War Library and Study Room]. If game penalties are insufficient to prevent such tactics being employed then just think what would happen once one of these individual regiments is discovered by the enemy. If I am fortunate enough to uncover a single unit or a small number of them while I have numerical superiority over them as part of my battle line that unit will be shown no quarter. With a bit of luck none of them will live to tell the tale of their independent mission far from the support of their comrades. |
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| Author: | Blake [ Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
A very amusing but completely impossible Optional Rule could be: A/I Brigade Command Optional Rule - Any brigade commander outside of his divisional commander's radius will automatically be controlled by the A/I. All units of his command will not be movable by the player until the brigade commander is back under the command radius of the divisional commander for one turn. Orders may be given the BC through the Command Dialogue box while detached. WORST RULE EVER! But it would sure as hell make everyone stay within the radius! We'd also have to bring back the command dialogue box from the dead (where I think it is since the old TS games). Jason talking about HARDCORE wargaming - there you go. |
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| Author: | Jim Boling [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
Brother Officers: 1. Routed Units recover and attack from the rear. I prefer a house rule for this; it being a gentleman's agreement that such units must move into a forested hex of the opponent's choosing with 1 hex visibility (to prevent them acting as scouts) and remain there for the duration of the game. As a tit-for-tat, the other player agrees not to hunt them down and kill them. 2. Unit separation. Agree. Wandering all over the battlefield is clearly NOT a ACW tactical device. The only exception here would be cavalry. I can see (and do so employ) small detachments ( usually < 100) being sent to post good high ground to provide early warning of enemy movements. Conversely, I have played opponents who used artillery sections as observation posts! I believe the exiting in-game rule address this well enough, as several of you have stated. I am quick to note that widely dispersed units is not the WORST ahistorical gaming atrocity I have witnessed ! |
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| Author: | warbison [ Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
Gentlemen, Sirs! <salute> The one thing I miss from Richard Berg's Great Battles of the American Civil War (GBACW) series was the Brigade Combat Effectiveness (BCE) Loss whereby once a certain level of losses were exceeded for that brigade, no unit of that brigade could initiate melee attack and a 1 was added to the die roll for all morale checks. Respectfully, Your Obedient Servant, General Nick Kunz Chief of Staff, Army of Northern Virginia  
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Just Saw This |
Wonder if that is really needed when every unit gains fatigue and by that, on higher fatigue levels, already looses effectiveness themselves. On top of the also a brigade penalty seems a bit much maybe. |
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