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A Toast to Mssrs. Beacham, Blackburn & Berli
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Author:  Francisco Palomo [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  A Toast to Mssrs. Beacham, Blackburn & Berli
<i>Mssrs.</i>, charge your glasses, <i>s'il vous plait</i>, and join me in toasting our worthy opponents, <i>Mssrs., </i>Blackburn and Berli and my peerless comrade in arms, <i>Marechal </i>Beacham.

We have just concluded, in record time, the massive Jena scenario, "The Russians Are Coming", in which <i>Mssrs., </i>Blackburn and Berli commanded the French forces while <i>Marechal </i>Beacham and I had the honor of leading the gallant Prusso-Saxon armies. Although it was fiercely fought through the climactic, 2-day Battle of Rudolstadt, the encounter was marked by the chivalrous demeanor of all and fantastic, generally daily turn-arounds, unheard of in a complex, extensive MP game.[8D]

Salute!,

Regards,

Paco

<i>Maréchal</i> M. Francisco Palomo
<i>Prince d'Essling, Grande Duc d'Abrantes et
Comte de Marseille
Commandant - Division de Cavalerie de la Vieille Garde </i>
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Author:  Bill Peters [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:20 pm ]
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And who won may I ask? [:D][:p][;)]

Was it the forces of Prussia or those Frenchies? [8D]

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)
Author:  Francisco Palomo [ Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:00 pm ]
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Bill,

Mars smiled upon Prussian arms this time[:)].

Prince Luis' Advance Guard staged a gallant rear-guard action West of Rudolstadt on the opening day of the Campaign, supported by the cavalry of Hohenloe's Right Wing and the grenadiers and cavalry of Hohenloe's Reserve Dv. At the end of the day the Prussians were overwhelmed by superior numbers, but prevented Lannes' and Augerau's Corps from advancing East of Rudolstadt.

Their sacrifice had not been in vain, however, because it pinned the leading French corps to the vicinity of Rudolstadt's vital road junction. At dawn, the battle was renewed by Brunswick's Main Army and the balance of Hohenloe's forces which had converged on Rudolstadt via the pikes running to that town from BOTH the North and East. While echelon attacks straight down the pikes drew the bulk of the French to their Left and Right Flanks, the main attack was delivered against the fatally weakened French Center rupturing their defensive lines. By noon, although all of the French artillery managed to escape to the West Bank of the Saar, all the infantry of Lannes' and Augerau's Corps had been cut-off and destroyed.

Regards,

Paco

<i>Maréchal</i> M. Francisco Palomo
<i>Prince d'Essling, Grande Duc d'Abrantes et
Comte de Marseille
Commandant - Division de Cavalerie de la Vieille Garde </i>
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Author:  dean beecham [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:44 am ]
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Yes a great battle .

Again thanks Ed and Ola for a great turn around . we was turning files about every 2 days ,

Paco and i had a good plan from the start . and with a little luck it worked , and shows that this scn can be won by the Allies and the French ,

This is the 3rd MP game Paco and i have played as a team. and now we have 3 Victorys to our name.. We seem to work well together .

So until the next Allies come along to take us on.. My hate gos off to all 4 of us for a great game..


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<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
<font color="blue">La</font id="blue"> Commandeur, <font color="red">II Corps</font id="red">
ADN

Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde
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"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"
Author:  clifton seeney [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:38 pm ]
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Monsieur great game but I bet it was played with the NME off!

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
Author:  dean beecham [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:34 pm ]
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Clifton.

No. the NME rule i always have on. as i dont like the ZOC .. done to me .[;)]

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<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
<font color="blue">La</font id="blue"> Commandeur, <font color="red">II Corps</font id="red">
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Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde
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"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"
Author:  Ed Blackburn [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:02 pm ]
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A tip of the hat to Paco and Dean. Excellent commentary Paco. Congratulations on developing and executing a great plan guys. I thoughtwe might have after you the first day but was proven badly mistaken. I have never played another MP game approaching the rapidity of file turn around as this game. It really helps to keep one's focus when not waiting two weeks between turns. Thanks to the two French gentlemen and my outstanding partner Ola Berli for a great gaming experience.[:D]

The Prussians can most definetly win this battle.[^]



Major General Ed Blackburn
Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA
3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards
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Author:  clifton seeney [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:43 pm ]
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Monsieur pray tell me how was it able to have a French Corps or Div destroyed with it on ?

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
Author:  Colin Knox [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:12 pm ]
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Gentlemen sounds like an interesting game.

Cliff you can eliminate a unit with NME and isolation rules on by surrounding it and routing it.

Salute!

General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

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Author:  Bill Peters [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:18 pm ]
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Ah ha! I remember the plan well! Just couldnt trap Dean's Frenchies (when we played you and Dean) as you did with them in this game. Buggers always seemed to get away.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)
Author:  Ed Blackburn [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:32 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Colin Knox</i>
<br />Gentlemen sounds like an interesting game.

Cliff you can eliminate a unit with NME and isolation rules on by surrounding it and routing it.

Salute!

General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

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Cliff,

To sum up they attacked from three sides and were able to isolate and surround a nice large grouping of French units. One they had them isolated they move up gun, and fresh infantry. Eventually the units will rout and then you can overrun them with skirms. It was really the strategic plan that worked for them and the tactics just followed naturally. It was amazing and also frustrating being on the receiving end.[B)][;)]

I definetly learned a lot but I always do when playing against Dean and Paco.[xx(][:D]

Major General Ed Blackburn
Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA
3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards
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Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:47 am ]
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Monsieur the movement is to slow to get a whole Corps let alone two!You had to be caught out in the open to do this not on the roads or in villages and the Prussians move at the same speed ?

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
Author:  Ed Blackburn [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:27 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by clifton seeney</i>
<br />Monsieur the movement is to slow to get a whole Corps let alone two!You had to be caught out in the open to do this not on the roads or in villages and the Prussians move at the same speed ?

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
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I didn't try to escape I tried to fight. I had no idea that many Prussians were coming. I figured they were sending some forces across the river to link up with Russians. I thought we could beat them at Rudolstadt. Much of the fighting was in the woods. Once you you disrupt units in line in the woods it is not that hard to encircle them with fresh troops. We did the same thing to them on a smaller scale on the first day.

Major General Ed Blackburn
Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA
3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards
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Author:  clifton seeney [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:51 am ]
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MMMMMMMMMM I see it would prove to me that even with the new high Moral level in this new file that A class French unite in none mul Inf attack will route?

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
Author:  Francisco Palomo [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:28 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by clifton seeney</i>
<br />MMMMMMMMMM I see it would prove to me that even with the new high Moral level in this new file that A class French unite in none mul Inf attack will route?

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS
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Clifton,

There are no "supermen" in these battles and ANY unit will crack once it has received enough casualties and fatigue hits. If you add in the negative morale effects of being isolated and/or receiving fire on an exposed flank, it simply becomes a matter of time.

Moreover, once a unit is isolated, concentrated fire from infantry in line and/or point blank cannister will decimate a unit even if it doesn't rout. For instance, some of the stacks we isolated actually survived for nearly an hour (6 Turns) since at least some units would always be merely disordered, but that only prolonged the agony. To deal with them we simply dedicated fatigued units to form in line and blast away every turn until the stack was destroyed.

Regards,

Paco

<i>Maréchal</i> M. Francisco Palomo
<i>Prince d'Essling, Grande Duc d'Abrantes et
Comte de Marseille
Commandant - Division de Cavalerie de la Vieille Garde </i>
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