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Author: | Bill Peters [ Wed May 12, 2010 10:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Customer Poll - Leader Faces |
In my next title I am contemplating on how to do the leader faces. Often its impossible to find pictures for all of the leaders. So ... in this next title I will release would you: 1. Want to see the faces even if its wrong. 2. Want to see no fact rather than one that is incorrect. For #2 you would see the a graphic that would be a flag for that nation or some generic image (not a face). See The Renaissance game for an example of how we would do it. Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come) Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about! ![]() |
Author: | Michael Ellwood [ Wed May 12, 2010 10:50 am ] |
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I like the face outline but blacked out so you know that when a face is displayed it is that person. Or you could get all of us to send in passport pics and you could use them [:D] Otherwise a flag is fine by me rather than an incorrect face. Col Mike Ellwood Commander Officer 3rd Dragoon Division Reserve Cavalry |
Author: | Jeka [ Wed May 12, 2010 10:59 am ] |
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I like faces! <hr noshade size="1"> <b>general-feldmarshal prince Eugene Gulyaev-Smolenskiy aka Jeka Club Secretary 4th Cavalry Corps Leib-Gvardii Semenovskij Polk</b> ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | jalberti [ Wed May 12, 2010 12:13 pm ] |
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I would like to see a face, even it is the wrong one. Maybe a generic face? Oberst Joseph 'Freiherr' Alberti IR# 42 Graf Erbach, 2nd Division, I Armee Korps Armee von Osterreich ![]() |
Author: | nelmsm [ Wed May 12, 2010 1:54 pm ] |
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I like faces too! Field Marshall Sir Mark Nelms K.G. 1st Regiment of Foot Guards |
Author: | Jim Pfleck [ Wed May 12, 2010 5:10 pm ] |
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I vote for the faces. They are a visual cue, not becuase I recognize all of the faces but I know that when I see a face that unit is a leader.... As long as the face represents someone from the period! So no sneaking in Frederick the Great, of Patton. Heck, you could take a photo of yourself in a puffy white whig, scan it in, give it to Mark for some art touch up, and none of us would be any wiser.. The Hitchock approach... Feldmarschall Jim 'Prinz' Pfluecke Commander, Austrian Cavalry Reserve 3 Graf O'Reilly Chevauxleger Rgt Hahn Grenadier Bn |
Author: | Bill Peters [ Wed May 12, 2010 6:57 pm ] |
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Thanks guys, we will stick with the current format. More of a visual cue I guess than really checking to see if its accurate. Mark and I go through the internet and our books trying to find pics for the leaders. In particular the Allies are hard to find. If you want to help us with the Allies please email me separately. In particular we can always use help with the Russians. I did find a few of the "name-1, name-2, name-3" Russian leaders - you know, the ones that have the same name but a number after them. Wikipedia had a good article on one of them for the Austerlitz game. I found one picture for one of the three that shared the same name. Usually I like to change those to use an initial for the name and drop the number. But sometimes I just used the number. Its a time issue. Just don't have the time always to find everything we need. And I do not know French, German or Russian either. Always good to have guys like Warren Bajan or Tomasz or Dierk's assistance. Warren has been invaluable on our recent team, he reads German and French. Anyway, thanks for the help! Default it is! Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come) Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about! ![]() |
Author: | Kosyanenko [ Wed May 12, 2010 10:15 pm ] |
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Bill, in St.Petersburg in the Winter Palace there exists a Military gallery. It consists portraits of approximately 2/3 of Russian generals taking part in the Napoleonic wars. The portraits were created by George Dowe and his students in early 1820s/ This is a link to the web page with list of all the portraits in gallery: http://www.museum.ru/1812/persons/vgzd/general.html Clicking on every name will lead to a personal page with large picture in two formats - color and black and white, description of the picture (uniform, awards depicted, etc.) and brief bio. All the names are easily transliterated with Google. This is a list of all the Russian generals active in late XVIII-early XIX century: http://www.museum.ru/1812/persons/RUSS/ra_a09.html Link on every name leads to a web page with brief bio, service history, award etc. In the bottom of the page there is a link to biographic articles. The later often consist small black and white portraits from other sources. This is the complete list of Russian army regiments, their commanders and Chefs: http://www.museum.ru/1812/Library/Podmazo/index.html There exist individual pages for officers, they are the same with the previous database. To repeat all the names are easily transliterated. Disclaimer. I have no idea about possibility to use this info/images in a commercial product. In printed works they must be referenced. Hope it helps a bit. <center> ![]() <center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center> |
Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Thu May 13, 2010 3:44 am ] |
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Bill, You can use my face for the ones you can't find. I'll send you a piccy.[:p] Field Marshall Ed Blackburn Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA 3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards ![]() |
Author: | Jim Pfleck [ Thu May 13, 2010 5:26 am ] |
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Yeah, you can use my face to. Although any unit in my "command" would need to suffer a morale penalty due to my ugly mug... Feldmarschall Jim 'Prinz' Pfluecke Commander, Austrian Cavalry Reserve 3 Graf O'Reilly Chevauxleger Rgt Hahn Grenadier Bn |
Author: | Bill Peters [ Thu May 13, 2010 6:11 am ] |
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Anton - a most helpful page ... but I do not read Russian! Is there a way to translate this page? I will pass this along to Mark. VERY MUCH THANKS if somehow you know of a way to translate it into English. Sorry but all I know about Russian is Das Vadanya and Nyet! [:D] Oh yes, and that cossacks dance with bears! [8D] Jim and Ed, look we do want to ATTRACT and KEEP our customer base right! [8D] I wanted to add in my pic but Mark nicely pulled me aside and said, "See kid, you may want to rethink this idea of yours. After all John does have to make a living selling these games to discerning gamers!" I pretty much shelved that idea right away! I will add though that Joe Amoral sent me some work he did based on our faces (well John's anyway) for the Unit.bmp pics. He sort of morphs them a bit so they are not spitting images. Ah yes, takes me back to the days of AH Squad Leader when they used the names of their staff for the leader names. Sgt Stahler and Lt. Greenwood immediately come to mind! Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come) Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about! ![]() |
Author: | Bill Peters [ Thu May 13, 2010 7:54 am ] |
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Anton - Ok, Mark Adams did a web translation of this page. Here are the results - please let me know if its accurate. Also: are these all generals of the Napoleonic period or of all Russian generals? RUSSIAN PORTRAITS GEN, Dzh.DOU made for the Military Gallery of the Winter Palace. View location portraits A B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Alekseev (1 st) , Ilya Ivanovich Albert Alexander Andrew Stepan Arakcheev Alexey Argamak (2 nd), Ivan Andreevich (considered a portrait of Ivan Argamakova) Argamak (1-y), Ivan (considered a portrait of Ivan Andreevich Argamakova) Arseniev Mikhail Andreyevich Ahte Egor Andreevich A B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Baggovut Carl F. Bagration, Petr Ivanovich Bagration Roman I. Balabin PI Balashov, Alexander D. Balk, Michael D. Barclay de Tolly , Mikhail Bogdanovich Bartolomei , Alexei Ivanovich Bakhmetev (1 st) Alexei Bashilov Alexander Benardos Panteleimon Ye Benkendorf (1 st) Alexander Khristoforovich Benkendorf (2 nd), Constantine Khristoforovich Benningsen Leonty L. Berg (2 nd) Burkhard Maximovich Berg (1 st) Gregory Maximovich Berdyaev Alexander Bibikov Alexander Bystrom (2 nd) Adam I. Bystrom (1 st), Karl I. Bogdanovsky Andrey Borozdin Nikolai Mikhailovich Budberg Karl V. Buchholz , Otto I. A B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Vadbolsky Ivan Mikhailovich Wallmoden Ludwig Vasilchikov (2 nd), Dmitry V. Vasilchikov (1 st) Hilarion V. Vasilchikov (3rd), Nikolai Wielkopolska Anton P. Veliaminov Ivan Veselitsky Gabriel P. Wintzingerode Ferdinand F. Vistitsky Mikhail S. Wittgenstein Peter Christianovich Witt Ivan Osipovich Vlastov Yegor Ivanovich Vlodek Mikhail Voyeikov Aleksey V. Warriors Aleksandar Volkov, Mikhail Mikhailovich Volkonskiy Peter M. Volkonskiy Sergey G. Vorontsov , Mikhail Semenovich Vuich Nikolai Wurtemberg Alexander Wurtemberg Eugene And B In T D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Galatte Joseph N. Gamenya Alexey Gamper Yermolay Ermolaevich Gangeblov Simon G. Harpe Vasily Geydenreyh Ivan G. Gelfreich Bogdan B. Gertsdorf Carl Maximovich Ginet Yakov Ye Glebov Andrey Savich Gogel Fedir Golenishchev-Kutuzov Mouraviev Golitsyn, Dmitry Golovin, Evgeniy Gorchakov, Andrei Ivanovich Greek Timothy D. Gresser Alexander Gudovich Andrey A B in T D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Davydov (2 nd) Denis V. Damas Maxim I. Delianov David Artemyevitch Denisov, Vasily T. Denisev Luke A. Denisev Peter V. Depreradovich Nikolai Dehterev Nikolai Dibich Ivan Dovre Fedor Filippovich Dolon Osip Franzevich Dorokhov Kozlovsky Dokhturov Dmitry Driesen Fyodor Vasilyevich Duca, Ilya Mikhailovich Durnovo Ivan Dyatko Stepan Vasilyevich And B In Mr. D E M W AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Emelyanov Nikolai Filippovich Ermolov Alexei Petrovich Ershov Ivan Z. E. Andrey Eshin Vasily And B In Mr. A of E F W AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Zhevakhov Ivan Semenovich Zheltukhin (2 nd), Peter F. Zheltukhin (1 st) Sergei F. Zhemchuzhnikov Apollo S. Jomini Henry Veniaminovich And B In Mr. D E F W And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Zagryazhsky Pyotr Zakrevsky Arseniy Andreyevich Zass Andrei Andreyevich (considered a portrait of Andrei Pavlovich Zass) Zass Andrei Pavlovich (considered a portrait of Alexander's Zass) Zbievsky Timothy I. Zvarykin Fyodor Vasilyevich And B In Mr. D E F G AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Ivelich PI Ignatiev, Dmitri L. Ilovaisky (3rd), Aleksey Vasilyevich Ilovaisky (12 th) Vasily Ilovaisky (9 th), Gregory D. Ilovaisky (4 th) , Ivan D. Ilovaisky (5 th) Nikolai Ilovaisky (10 th) Osip V. Inzov Ivan Nikitich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T Y F X C H W Shch E S I Kablukov (2 nd) , Vladimir Ivanovich Kablukov (1 st) Platon Ivanovich Kazachkovsky Cyril F. Kaisarov Paissy S. Kaptsevich Peter M. Karpenko, Moses I. Karpov Akim Akimovich Kern Yermolay F. Kikin Pyotr Andreyevich Klodt von Yurgensburg Carl F. Knieper Fedor Evstafevich Knorring Karl Bogdanovich Knorring , Otto F. Knyazhnin (1 st) , Alexander Y. Knyazhnin (2 nd), Boris Yakovlevich Cozen Pyotr Andreyevich Kozlyaninov Ivan T. Kologrivov Aleksei Semenovich Kolyubakin Peter M. Konovnitsyn Pyotr Konstantin Pavlovich Kornilov, Pyotr Yakovlevich Corfe Fyodor Karlovich Kostenetskiy Vasily Krasovskii Athanasius I. Kreutz Cyprian Antonovich Kretov Nikolai Kryzhanovskii Maxim K. Kudashev Nikolai Danilovich Kulnev Yakov Kuruta Dmitry Kutaisov Alexander Kuteinikov Dmitry E. Kutuzov , Alexander P. Kutuzov Mikhail Illarionovich And B In Mr. D E F G AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Lambert Charles Osipovich Langeron Alexander Fedorovich Lanskoy Sergei Laptev Vasily Danilovich Levashov Vasily Lowenstern Karl F. Levisa Lopatin Levin, Dmitri A. Leontiev , Ivan Sergeyevich Lieven, Ivan Andreevich Lindfors Fedor Andreevich Lisanevich Grigory Likhachev Peter Gavrilovich Lukow Fedor Lukovkin Gabriel Amvrosievich Lyalin Dmitry V. Lyapunov Dmitry Petrovich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M H O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Madatov Valerian G. Manteuffel Ivan Markov (2 nd) , Alexander Ivanovich Markov (1 st) Eugeny Maslov Andrey T. Matzneff Mikhail Kozintsev (1 st), Vladimir Petrovich Kozintsev (2 nd), Mikhail Ivanovich Melissino Alexei Petrovich Muller-Zakomelsky Yegor Ivanovich Merlin Pestel Miloradovich Mikhail A. Michaud , Alexander Franzevich Mordvinov Dmitry Mikhailovich Mosolov Feodor Myakinin Nicholas Diomidovich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M H O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Nabokov, Ivan Nazimov Fedor Viktorovich Naryshkin Lev Naumov , Mikhail Fedorovich Neverovsky Dmitry Petrovich Neidgardt Pestel Nikitin, Alexei Petrovich And B In Mr. A E F G And K L M N About P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Obolensky Vasily Ozharovsky Adam P. Okulov Modest Matveyevich Olenin Evgeniy Olsufiev (1 st) Zakhar D. Olsufiev (3rd), Nikolai Oldekop Karl F. Opperman Charles I. Orlov Vasily Orourke Joseph Kornilovich Osten-Sacken Fabian Vilgelmovich Osterman Tolstoy Alexander Ivanovich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P C T U F X C H W Shch E S I Palen Matvei Palen (2 nd), Pavel Petrovich (considered a portrait of Peter Petrovich Palena) Palen (1 st), Pyotr Petrovich (considered a portrait of Paul Petrovich Palena) Palitsyn Ivan Panchulidzev (1 st) Ivan Davidovich Panchulidzev (2 nd) Semyon Davidovich Paskevich Ivan Patton , Alexander Yakovlevich Paulucci Philip Osipovich Peyker Alexander Emmanuilovich Pillar Yegor Maximovich Pisarev, Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Platov Matvey Ivanovich Poltoratskii Konstantin Markovich Poluektov Boris Paul Ivan Lavrent'evich Poncet Mikhail Posnikov Fedor Potemkin Yakov Potocki Stanislav Pozzo di Borgo Carl Osipovich Protasov Alex Andrianovich Pyshnitsky Dmitry Ilyich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M H O P P From T U F X C H W Shch E S I Rajewski Nikolai Rakhmanov Vasilii Sergeevich Slap Dmitry Petrovich Rennie , Robert Ye Repnin-Volkonskiy Nicholas G. Repnin (2 nd) , Efron Repnin (1 st) , Stepan Yakovlevich Rehren , Ivan Bogdanovic Riediger Fyodor Vasilyevich Ridinger Alexander Karlovich Richter , Boris Khristoforovich Rosenberg (2 nd) Alexander (considered a portrait of Fyodor Fyodorovich Rosen) Rosen (1 st), Grigory Rosen (3rd), Fyodor (considered a portrait of Alexander Vladimirovich Rosen) The Russian Ignatius P. Roth Loggin Osipovich Rudzevich Gratsiansky Rykov Vasily Rileyev (2 nd), Alexander Rileyev (1 st), Michael N. And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P R C T U F X C H W Shch E S I Sabaneiev Ivan Savoini Jeremiah Y. Sazonov (1 st), Ivan Terent'evich Sazonov (2 nd), Fyodor Vasilyevich Saxe-Coburg , Leopold Sanders , Fyodor Ivanovich Svechin Nicanor M. Selyavin Nikolai Saint-Prix Emmanuel Franzevich Seslavin Alexander Nikitich Sievers (3rd) Egor Karlovich Sievers (1 st) Karl Sipyagin Nicholas Martemyanovich Skalon Anton Antonovich Sokolowski Joseph Karlovich Stavitsky Maxim F. Stavraki Semen Khristoforovich Steel Yegor Fyodorovich Steel Carl Gustavovich Stroganov, Pavel Aleksandrovich Sulima, Nikolai Semenovich Suhozanet Ivan Onufrievich Suhtelen (2 nd) Paul Petrovich Suhtelen (1 st) Peter Kornilovich And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T Y F X C H W Shch E S I Talyzin (2 nd), Alexander Ivanovich Talyzin (1 st), Fyodor Ivanovich Tail van Seraskerken Fyodor Vasilyevich Tesla Alexandr Titov, Nikolai Fedorovich Tolstoy Pyotr Toll , Karl F. Tormasov Alexandr Treskin Michael L. Troshchinsky Ivan E. Trubetskoy Vasily Sergeyevich Truzson Christian I. Turchaninov (2 nd) Andrei Petrovich Turchaninov (1 st), Pavel Petrovich Tuchkov (4 th) Alexander Tuchkov (1 st), Nikolai Tuchkov (3rd), Pavel And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T Y F X C H W Shch E S I Uvarov, Fedor Petrovich UDOM (2 nd) Eustace Evstafevich UDOM (1 st), Ivan Umanets Andrew S. Urusov Alexandr Ushakov (1 st), Pavel Nikolayevich Ushakov (2 nd), Sergei And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F Kh Ts Ch Sh Shch E U I Filippstalsky Ernst Phyllis Paul A. Falk , Alexander B. And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P R P T I O X C Ch Sh Shch E S I Khilkov Stepan Khovanskii Nikolai Khrapovitsky Matthew Evgrafovich Khrushchev, Ivan And B In Mr. A of E F G AND TO L M N O P R P T I O X C W W Shch E S I Tsvilenev Alexander And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch É Yu I Chalikov Anton Stepanovich Chaplits Yefim Chernozub Ilya Fedorovich Chernyshev, Alexander Ivanovich Chicherin (1 st), Nikolai Alexandrovich Chicherin (2 nd), Peter A. Choglokov Pavel And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Shakhovskoy Ivan L. Shevich Ivan Ye Scheele Gustav Christianovich Shenshin Vasiliy Prokhorov Shepelev Dmitry Shkapsky Mikhail A. Shostak Gerasim A. Schrader Pyotr Staden Evstafevich Eustace Steinheil Fabian F. Shuvalov, Pavel A. Shulgin, Alexander Shuhanov Daniil And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E U I Shcherbatov Alexander Fedorovich Shcherbatov Alexey Shcherbatov Nicholas G. And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E U I Emmanuel George Arsenijevic Engelhardt Grigory Ertel Lopatin Essen Ivan Essen Peter K. And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Yuzefovich Dmitry Mikhailovich Yushkov Alexander And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I Yashvil Lev Sorry about the spaces between the letters. I pasted this directly from the email that Mark sent. Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come) Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about! ![]() |
Author: | John Sheffield [ Thu May 13, 2010 8:34 am ] |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bill Peters</i> <br />Anton - a most helpful page ... but I do not read Russian! Is there a way to translate this page? I will pass this along to Mark. VERY MUCH THANKS if somehow you know of a way to translate it into English. Sorry but all I know about Russian is Das Vadanya and Nyet! [:D] <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Bill, If you download the Google toolbar it translates text into English whenever you hit upon a foreign language site. Cheers. Lt. Col. John Sheffield <font color="orange">23rd light Dragoon Regiment / 3rd Cavalry Brigade / <b>II Corps </b></font id="orange"><b> <font color="red">ANGLO-ALLIED ARMY. ............................................................... </font id="red"></b> <b> <font color="red">~2nd Btn. 3rd Rgt of Foot Guards~ ............................................................... </font id="red"> </b> [img]C:\Users\John\Documents\Wargaming\imagesCAC2Z0F5.jpg[/img] <font color="green"> "Among these respectable warriors, the Scotch [Scots] deserve to be particularly commemorated; and this honourable mention, is due to their discipline, their mildness, their patience, their humanity, and their bravery without example." "On the 16th and 18th of June 1815, their valour was displayed in a manner most heroic." </font id="green"> <font color="red">Viscount Vanderfosse.</font id="red"> |
Author: | Kosyanenko [ Thu May 13, 2010 9:14 am ] |
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Bill, Or you may just open Google Translate site in another window or tab, then copy the text in question into a proper field. Do not forget to turn your imagination on. The texts may be very strange and funny. The names are somewhat correctly transliterated. Again you may need some imagination here. For example surname Palen in English is usually spelled as Pahlen. I would spell Akhte instead of Ahte etc. But these are minor corrections. The list contains only those men who were by 1815 in rank of at least Major General (or corresponding civil rank), who made a major contribution in war with Napoleon and who had an ideally clear dossier. Being under trial for example meant one will not get his portrait in the gallery. There were some politics as well. These questions, although interesting, are not important here. All those who were still alive by the time the portraits were made posed personally. For those killed in action or who died after the war other paintings/engravings were used. <center> ![]() <center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center> |
Author: | Bill Peters [ Thu May 13, 2010 5:12 pm ] |
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Ok - installed the toolbar. Do not like so much space taken away from my window but its all for a worthy cause! [:D] Thanks much guys. Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come) Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about! ![]() |
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