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Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
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Author:  Tim Cavallin [ Tue May 22, 2012 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Hi, does anybody know if there is a scenario in Campaign Leipzig that covers the entire 4-day battle for SOLO play?

Before I venture out into head-to-head (HTH) play, I would like to do some solo gaming first in order to get familiar with how the game engine works.

Another option I would be willing to try is to play someone in a full-battle as the Allies (even though France is my team!)... if anyone is interested in this, then please send me an email at tcavallin1@cogeco.ca.

Many thanks,
Tim
Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue May 22, 2012 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
I did not see a full four day scenario for solo play. I am sure Bill Peters will be along very shortly to let you know if there is something I overlooked as he is more familiar with the game than anyone.

If you could, please add a signature in your post including your rank, unit command and the army to which you belong. Look at the upper right of your screen in this Forum above the 'Donate' button. Follow the path User Control Panel/Profile/Edit Signature.

Thanks for using the forums, Tim. I love to see the new officers active, involved and interested. The forums are a great way to converse with, and quickly get to know, a lot of fellow officers from all sides of the club.
Author:  Bill Peters [ Tue May 22, 2012 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Tim - it's too long of a scenario for scripts to work. I mention that somewhere in the Notes file I believe. Read through it as it will answer many other questions you might have.

Just too many scripts to write which would never work.

Note: I did not put scripts in for any multi-day scenario.

Also: if you want to PLAY the Allies why not JOIN the Allies! :mrgreen:

Ok, not trying to recruit you, just a bit of humor.

Honestly, I can think of nothing so boring as to play the AI for four days! :roll:

If only John Rushing could work on the AI for about a week or so ...

As Paco has pointed out many times, the AI only does well on the defense. So basically I would write scripts for the French and they would end up defending Leipzig to the last man.
Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue May 22, 2012 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Now, where I do greatly respect Marechal Palamo, I would have to disagree with his assessment of the AI. The AI does much better on defense than offense, but is not very effective at either. As a matter of fact, its offensive capability is nothing less than appalling.

The rule of thumb concerning the AI is that the player should always play the attacking side.

To be truly competitive against the live opponents in this club, you really must be able to manhandle the AI. The best way to accomplish this goal is to play other live officers. Playing only the AI can lead you into bad habits that will get you killed when playing live opponents. We have players of all skill levels in the club. The best approach is to pair up with someone on your level if you want an evenly played game, and someone who is better if your goal is more to learn and improve than to win the particular battle.

If you need assistance finding a suitable opponent, I am always glad to help. If our training programs are working like they should, all graduated cadets should be capable of taking on live opponents. No pressure here Tim. Playing the AI is fine also, but once you start to play live opponents, you will probably never even look back. I actually joined this club because I was so very tired of beating the AI into oblivion every time. I wanted a challenge. You can see by my crooked, broken nose and toothless grin that is exactly what I got in the NWC, and I never looked back. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Have fun with your games. If I can help in any way at all, just post here in the forum or send me an email. That is why I am here.
Author:  Bill Peters [ Tue May 22, 2012 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Mark - but that is what I just said. Paco said that the AI only does well on the DEFENSE. DEFENSE. DEFENSE.

Paco's honor upheld! :mrgreen:
Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue May 22, 2012 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
No stain on Paco's honor to be sure. It is a matter of semantics and you may be slightly misquoting Paco’s actual wording of his opinion of the AI. Perhaps my point was a bit too subtle. I will briefly summarize.

In my humble opinion, the AI does not do well in any regard. It performs extremely mediocre on Defense. It is absolutely useless on Offense. Playing a live player is always much the better way to go and is one of the principle purposes of our club.

I also mean no disrespect to the programmers of the AI. That has to be a very difficult task that I would not even know how to begin to undertake. Regardless, it does not change my opinion of the manner in which the AI performs. Andy Moss can attest to the fact that the reason I joined this club was to find some level of competition that the AI was incapable of providing.

Oddly enough, when I first joined, I also told him that I had no interest in the club's forums because I never enjoyed 'chat rooms'. And two years ago, the exchanges in these forums was less than impressive to say the very least. For some reason, they caught my interest due to a few meager responses that held some small measure of hope. I distinctly remember some of your posts being among them. From that point, I decided that our forums held a great latent potential for fun, if the atmosphere was redirected. Thus was borne the unrepentant Hanoverian officer that you see here today. Nothing serious, as it is all role play with the intention of helping members lighten up and have some fun. From what I saw here in the first year of my membership, too many members had forgotten how to do that. It was way too serious and boring with vicious personal fights breaking out weekly. I like it much better now and my Hanoverian officer still fully intends to be the one to kill the Corsican Ape. Did I say unrepentant? :shock: :wink: :mrgreen:

Meanwhile Marechal Jensen is over there saying to himself, "All we had to do was deny him a forum password in the beginning, and my beloved Emperor would have been spared all of his insipid insults!" :roll: :roll: :roll:
Author:  Bill Peters [ Tue May 22, 2012 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
When you compare how it does on the Attack vs. the Defense it does do well on the defense.

No, it was not Paco's exact words. Just his comment on one of my AI scenarios recently was that the script should be written for the defense.

But yes, you can carve it up pretty well either way.

Bottom line as again you are taking a thread way off target is that I did not build a 4 day solo scenario for Leipzig as the AI simply cannot conduct an attack. And if you backed it up in Leipzig honestly it could hold off the Allies longer from taking the city than if you asked it to take it. Since it would NEVER take the city then any defense is well, WELL! :mrgreen:
Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue May 22, 2012 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
OK, I relent. You are using capital letters against me, and I cannot even find them on my keyboard. :? :| :(
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Tue May 22, 2012 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Brigadier, sir!
THE SHIFT KEY or CAPS LOCK! :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:
Regards,
Author:  Colin Knox [ Tue May 22, 2012 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
SO IS THE AI ANY GOOD THEN? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue May 22, 2012 6:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Dang! Now the whole French Army is using capital letters against me. :shock: :shock: :shock:

My dear General Knox, I find that the lessons you imparted, mostly upon my head, were far more instructional than anything I could have ever learned from playing the AI. Also infinitely more painful, I might add. Decidedly not something for the faint of heart. Fortunately for me, I did somehow manage to survive the experience.....barely I do admit. :oops: :| :wink:

By the way, were you aware that Anglo-Allied officers may neither collect the bounty for your defeat nor be awarded the well earned 'Suicide Medal' for such a magnificent, and extremely difficult, accomplishment? A pity, since I had wished to be the very first officer to earn it. I believe the incentives do still apply for the Prussians, Austrians, Swedes, and Russians though, so I am sure these officers are now lining up to challenge you, and perish, in droves. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Author:  Al Amos [ Tue May 22, 2012 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
My dear President. Use smaller font, that will force them to really focus on your words. Kind of like whispering to catch the attention of everyone who is yelling. ;-)

Tim as you can readily see, threads get hijacked regularly around here. Hope you find the scenario you seek. Perhaps playing hot seat against yourself would fill in for a weak four day Ai.
Author:  Bill Peters [ Tue May 22, 2012 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
MCJones1810 wrote:
Dang! Now the whole French Army is using capital letters against me. :shock: :shock: :shock:

My dear General Knox, I find that the lessons you imparted, mostly upon my head, were far more instructional than anything I could have ever learned from playing the AI. Also infinitely more painful, I might add. Decidedly not something for the faint of heart. Fortunately for me, I did somehow manage to survive the experience.....barely I do admit. :oops: :| :wink:

By the way, were you aware that Anglo-Allied officers may neither collect the bounty for your defeat nor be awarded the well earned 'Suicide Medal' for such a magnificent, and extremely difficult, accomplishment? A pity, since I had wished to be the very first officer to earn it. I believe the incentives do still apply for the Prussians, Austrians, Swedes, and Russians though, so I am sure these officers are now lining up to challenge you, and perish, in droves. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I prefer to play folks that enjoy a Napoleonic game. When I want to play WW2 I will play Panzer Campaigns: Stalingrad '42! :wink:

This "anything goes" reminds me more of a Spring Break party than Napoleonic historical gaming.
Author:  Colin Knox [ Tue May 22, 2012 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Hey Bill
Did you know I played my first 10 games all as MDF. I play all styles including historical and anything goes I like the lot. It means I can play all kinds of players in the club and test myself in many ways. It also means I can enjoy the skill of a Jeka but still appreciate more historical play like Sir Muddy's

Bill we could play a MDF game sometime if you like? Austerlitz historical perhaps?
Its slow (so no good for a leipzig one although I did play Wagram with it once).
It can make for a great game without any blitz tactics etc.

Bill if you are interested in this you can choose the optional rules, let me know if you want any house rules and we are away - it all makes it totally and unavoidably historical.

Regards
Colin
Author:  Tim Cavallin [ Tue May 22, 2012 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Full Leipzig battle for Solo Play?
Hi Mark,

How do I finally register in the French army, and then a game? Bill Peters has graciously offered to "school" me.

Thanks, Tim
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