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Leipzig operational rebalanced
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Author:  Colin Knox [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Leipzig operational rebalanced
A while back after playing Leipzig operational I reached the conclusion the scenario favours the French player.
So I had a go at rebalancing it. I removed all of the exit hexes and added some new victory hexes. Never really got further with it but take a look if you interested and see what you think. There are plenty of members out there who are better at this editing stuff than me so perhaps we could collectively refine it.

Personally to me its a shame this massive battle is really unwinnable as allieds (my opinion) due to the victory conditions.
I guess some may disagree but thats my impression. I did enjoy employing the vast French guard force when I played it though :mrgreen:

PS A further note the big change i made was to the victory conditions so you dont need 20000+ anymore as allieds.
Author:  Colin Knox [ Tue May 21, 2013 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
This scenario is designed not for a manuever and withdrawal to exit hexes more for a stand up massacre orientated to a massive fight as such :mrgreen:
Just my perspective on it.
Author:  Adam Nosko [ Wed May 22, 2013 12:05 am ]
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I thought that on these beautiful islands live cheerful residents who violence and brutal force only consider playing rugby. Now I see ... "Leipziger Chainsaw Massacre" by Colin Knox. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Author:  Colin Knox [ Wed May 22, 2013 12:25 am ]
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Adam yes thats it :mrgreen: :lol:
Author:  David Guegan [ Wed May 22, 2013 7:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Adam Nosko wrote:
I thought that on these beautiful islands live cheerful residents who violence and brutal force only consider playing rugby. Now I see ... "Leipziger Chainsaw Massacre" by Colin Knox. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


There are some precedents in NZ such as those hordes of Goblins and Orcs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Author:  Andy Moss [ Wed May 22, 2013 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Yes, thanks Colin. That fits in well with my views of the scenario design too.
Author:  Colin Knox [ Wed May 22, 2013 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
davidguegan wrote:
There are some precedents in NZ such as those hordes of Goblins and Orcs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Indeed I recently went up to Rivendell which is not far from my house. No sign of any Nazgul or indeed Arwen though.
I relieved about the former and disappointed about the latter. :lol:. Although I did observe this particular Elf at the cricket a while back. Frodo has also been observed enjoying Coffee here in the 'shire' (Wellington)
Author:  Adam Nosko [ Wed May 22, 2013 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Colin Knox wrote:
davidguegan wrote:
There are some precedents in NZ such as those hordes of Goblins and Orcs :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Indeed I recently went up to Rivendell which is not far from my house. No sign of any Nazgul or indeed Arwen though.
I relieved about the former and disappointed about the latter. :lol:. Although I did observe this particular Elf at the cricket a while back. Frodo has also been observed enjoying Coffee here in the 'shire' (Wellington)


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Wed May 22, 2013 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Salute!

I still have fond memories from childhood, of sitting with my two brothers on a rocky ledge in a cliffside, on a small hill overlooking the seaside village where we grew up.

A top this hill was a lookout tower, built of stone, that always reminded us of the watch towers at the Gray Havens, looking out to sea towards Valinor.

When tourists would be passing by as they hiked up the hill they would spy us above the trail, and asking what we were doing, we'd reply, "We're hobbits!"

On more serious note: I have yet to play the actual battle scenario, but I can imagine that Bautzen in the new Bautzen game would surely fit the bill for an all out chainsaw massacre kind of game play.

Oh yes, good thing about no Nazgul in your neighborhood... :)
But too bad 'bout Arwen... :mrgreen:

Regards,
Author:  Colin Knox [ Wed May 22, 2013 5:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
I know what you mean Todd. Where I go tramping (hiking in american) at Tongariro national park we always used to say 'gee Mt Ngauruhoe would make a perfect mount doom and this place is like Mordor they should film the movie here'

And low and behold Peter Jackson noted the same thing 15 years later and the rest is history.
Author:  Colin Knox [ Thu May 23, 2013 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Andy Moss wrote:
Yes, thanks Colin. That fits in well with my views of the scenario design too.


Andy download it and let me know what you think. I think removing the exit hexes but adding some big objectives to the west and lowering the vp's makes it a much more interesting scenario. A fun option really as given the huge forces involved its a shame about charging off towards exit hexes. If you are allieds you must ultimately due to huge vp's required to win. In this variation you can win through fighting.
Anyhow just my go at it.
Author:  Kosyanenko [ Fri May 24, 2013 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Colin,

in our shortlived Leipzig battle the most disapponting thing for me as an Allied commander was not the VPs selection. It was the troops deployment. In all the rest of the operational level scenarios the sides had at least some time before the collision of main troops. So what I would dream of is a scenario starting on October 14th or even 13th. Unfortunately it's only a dream. With current RL situation I can't play through one day at Katzbach, leave alone the whole operation around Leipzig. :cry:

With kind regards from Mordor,
Her Imperial Evilness Leib-Nazgul regiments
GL Kosyanenko
Author:  Sir Muddy [ Sat May 25, 2013 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
I'll have to kick some French butt in this one... :o
Author:  Sir Muddy [ Sat May 25, 2013 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
Kosyanenko wrote:
Colin,

With current RL situation I can't play through one day at Katzbach, leave alone the whole operation around Leipzig. :cry:

With kind regards from Mordor,
Her Imperial Evilness Leib-Nazgul regiments
GL Kosyanenko



I dont understand... RL situation?
Author:  Colin Knox [ Sat May 25, 2013 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leipzig operational rebalanced
RL = real life :mrgreen:
Kick French butt Sir Muddy in my new scenario you mean? Its a different perspective on the battle now.
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