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The Waterloo Bug!
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Author:  Prince Repnin [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:35 am ]
Post subject:  The Waterloo Bug!

Gentlemen officers,
may be somebody knows how to fix the problem:
scenario 045.Waterloo_Wavre_v2 has a bug:
the Coalition troops musket fire gives only negative effect (with minus),
and number of men in target units grows herewith.
It is a bug apparently. Help! We loose the great MP game. :(

Author:  Stephanel [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Hello Vladimir,

Unfortunately I have no idea... but I suggest you shoot your own troops :D

Of course this is definitely not H§R, but so, you could avoid a defeat :wink:

... well sorry, it's not fun... but I couldn't help :oops:

Good luck my friend.

Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Salute!

I have conducted a test of the scenario - and it is true -
When Coalition forces fire (with muskets at any rate) on French forces, no losses are incurred, but rather strength values for the targeted unit are increased.

I have put in a question about this to the HPS support staff, and will let you know what I hear back.

This does seem to be a bug malfunction of some sort.
I have the most recent update for my game, and play many other scenarios without this effect.
Although I wouldn't mind such a result in some of them - :mrgreen:

Regards,

Author:  Jim Pfleck [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Not a bug, most likely, because that implies and error hardcoded into the program. More likely a pdt error. I was playtesting a game where my troops had a zero fire value, and it was because there were several different musket types in the pdt and one was entered in wrong. Easy to fix for those, unlike myself, who know what they are doing.

Author:  Colin Knox [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Not a bug at all friends - just a historical representation of how things should always be :mrgreen:

Author:  Kosyanenko [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

most probably it simply means that in pdt file fire power for a certain type of weapons is given a negative value. A very natural mistake, if you know how the fire values are represented in the pdt. So the question is what exactly are the troops that have such a feature about them? British infantry? Or Landwerh?

Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Salute!

In the first test that I ran on this, it was definitely Landwehr.

Shooting at the French forces increased the strength levels of the targeted unit, and no casualties showed on the Victory Level chart.

Regards,

Author:  Andy Moss [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

I reported this bug to HPS about 6 months ago and was told they were looking into it.

It is a pdt file problem. The best workaround until (if) it gets fixed is to simply replace the relevant pdt with the pdt from the 1.03 version and that works fine. I use that. Unless somebody can identify where in the 1.04 pdt the error is and correct it. The error only affects the Waterloo main battle and variants scenarios.

Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Salute!

Thanks for the information Andy.

Unfortunately I am a Luddite when it comes to 'puters and such technical stuff as pdt files, etc.

Do you have the file that is relevant and can you dispatch it to my encampment with instructions for the process of replacing it?

Regards,

Author:  Prince Repnin [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

I play another Waterloo scenario now in the 1.04 version - 019.QB_Ligny_v1.
We have no this problem there.
I compared both PDTs - they look identically.

Author:  clifton seeney [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Question why is it that Windows 7 and 8 can't down load up dates? Keeping me from getting into some action!

Author:  Prince Repnin [ Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

Thank you, Andy!
I have used your suggestion and it's helped.
I just use a copy of another PDT file (waterloo_campaign.pdt) of the same version. It works. :D

Author:  Andy Moss [ Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

I have no problems with Win7. Win 8 I can't comment on.

Author:  nelmsm [ Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

I've no problems with Win 7 either.

Author:  dalelast [ Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Waterloo Bug!

I was wondering if the work around for the pdt files could be made a "sticky" in the Tavern so as to have it readily available for everyone.

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