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I really do not think the issue here is whether the button is labeled "Muster" or "Records". The real issue is that our Trainers are not teaching new Cadets how to fully use the various functions of our DoR System. They are also not promoting our forums as the social platform that they actually are.

Two years ago, Scott Clawson approached me with the idea that he serve as a Trainer for all Coalition Armies, teaching new Cadets how to fully use our DoR System and encouraging them to actively participate in our social forums. His training would supplement the normal 'combat' training. I knew this was needed and advocated it to Marco to implement for the Coalition Armies. Marco did not see the need for such training and forbade its implementation. This was one of the old griefs between Marco and Scott to which Scott alluded in his 'retirement' post. The fact that Marco rejected the idea for the Coalition, does not mean that it cannot be implemented by LGA. I personally think it was a very good idea that would positively benefit our members.

Following Marco's rejection, I created a document on the use of our DoR System and permanently posted it in the Rhine Tavern. It very clearly states that all officer records can be viewed through the "Muster" button. Had Clint been trained in the use of the DoR, he would have known that. Had he been trained in the use of our Forums, he would have been aware of my permanent post.

I thought it was a good idea two years ago. I still believe it to be a good idea today. What do you, the members, think?

Author:	Clint Matthews [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:12 am ]
Post subject:	looking for records
at ACWGC, its very easy to look up any members battle record..............how do I do that in this club? when I go to records here at NWC...........it takes me to my records. when I go to LGA officers it takes me to my records again. if I go to allied officers............it does take me to their records. is there a line item that takes me to all French officers showing their battle records?

Author:	Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Salute! Good question Clint. If you go to the Game Registration page and click on the Muster section you will see the overall battle record of all officers. But it does not show who they played or the games played. Simply their record as it relates to Major Victories, Minor Victories, Draws, Minor Defeats, and Major Defeats. Regards,

Author:	Aloysius Kling Sr [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Go to the LGA officer tab and sign in to the where you register battles and click on view muster, everyone's battle records is there, Victories, Draws, Defeats, etc... Battle On...

Author:	Clint Matthews [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Aloysius Kling, Sr wrote: Go to the LGA officer tab and sign in to the where you register battles and click on view muster, everyone's battle records is there, Victories, Draws, Defeats, etc... Battle On... excellent............just what I was looking for...........now I have to remember where I found this. not for nothing..........this area should be much easier to find. it should be under its own heading "RECORDS" why would anyone look under "muster"........... just one "new guys" opinion.

Author:	Aloysius Kling Sr [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Muster vs Records Clint, I agree with you on that one. Battle On...

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Author:	MCJones1810 [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:53 pm ]
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I really do not think the issue here is whether the button is labeled "Muster" or "Records". The real issue is that our Trainers are not teaching new Cadets how to fully use the various functions of our DoR System. They are also not promoting our forums as the social platform that they actually are. Two years ago, Scott Clawson approached me with the idea that he serve as a Trainer for all Coalition Armies, teaching new Cadets how to fully use our DoR System and encouraging them to actively participate in our social forums. His training would supplement the normal 'combat' training. I knew this was needed and advocated it to Marco to implement for the Coalition Armies. Marco did not see the need for such training and forbade its implementation. This was one of the old griefs between Marco and Scott to which Scott alluded in his 'retirement' post. The fact that Marco rejected the idea for the Coalition, does not mean that it cannot be implemented by LGA. I personally think it was a very good idea that would positively benefit our members. Following Marco's rejection, I created a document on the use of our DoR System and permanently posted it in the Rhine Tavern. It very clearly states that all officer records can be viewed through the "Muster" button. Had Clint been trained in the use of the DoR, he would have known that. Had he been trained in the use of our Forums, he would have been aware of my permanent post. I thought it was a good idea two years ago. I still believe it to be a good idea today. What do you, the members, think?

Author:	Christian Hecht [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Well I found it naturally to drop into the forum but yes maybe an active way of bringing new cadets in here would be better. Also at least for the LGA there is a point in training called "Registering Games ( Start and End )", maybe that should be expanded onto all the things you can do while logging into the system.

Author:	MCJones1810 [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
The Coalition Trainers also show Cadets how to register games. It is the full coverage of all the helpful functions of the DoR that is almost universally omitted. Were you trained in how to properly register a series of campaign scenarios, Christian? Based on the member's questions that I frequently have to answer, I would bet that you were not. My point is that we can all do a better job. My goal is to improve our systems so that we do. We should always strive to improve, but you would be amazed at the resistance with which any change is met in our club.

Author:	Clint Matthews [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
MCJones1810 wrote: I really do not think the issue here is whether the button is labeled "Muster" or "Records". The real issue is that our Trainers are not teaching new Cadets how to fully use the various functions of our DoR System. They are also not promoting our forums as the social platform that they actually are. Two years ago, Scott Clawson approached me with the idea that he serve as a Trainer for all Coalition Armies, teaching new Cadets how to fully use our DoR System and encouraging them to actively participate in our social forums. His training would supplement the normal 'combat' training. I knew this was needed and advocated it to Marco to implement for the Coalition Armies. Marco did not see the need for such training and forbade its implementation. This was one of the old griefs between Marco and Scott to which Scott alluded in his 'retirement' post. The fact that Marco rejected the idea for the Coalition, does not mean that it cannot be implemented by LGA. I personally think it was a very good idea that would positively benefit our members. Following Marco's rejection, I created a document on the use of our DoR System and permanently posted it in the Rhine Tavern. It very clearly states that all officer records can be viewed through the "Muster" button. Had Clint been trained in the use of the DoR, he would have known that. Had he been trained in the use of our Forums, he would have been aware of my permanent post. I thought it was a good idea two years ago. I still believe it to be a good idea today. What do you, the members, think? not sure I agree that one has to be "trained" to use the system. the system should be more intuitive.......which it is not. I never had to be "trained" to use the ACWGC system.............I always thought it was pretty straight forward. when records of members are listed under "muster" instead of "records" something is wrong. it seems like some of the hierarchy are very sensitive to any comments or questions regarding the system. the system can never improve if anyone commenting about "the system" gets slapped in the head anytime they voice a dissenting opinion.

Author:	Christian Hecht [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Well my second trainer told me where I can register the games and he said after getting there its all self explaining and as far as I went it looks like that it's true, choosing type, scenario, players etc. isn't so hard to understand. If you really want to explain in detail you need a walkthrough for such webpage related things and that is best done with screenshots that are graphically modified with arrows, numbers, etc. and text explaining what to do in each stage of the process, that is a bit much for a trainers that uses normal email corespondents only also just volunteered for doing one training session, its a bit too much to expect of them to fabricate such kind of "teaching material". I would say these webpage related things should maybe be done by the admin or others that have full access to the pages needed, they can take screenshots of everything that is needed, form that into webpages explaing the process and can upload it into a "Help Section" directly on the webpage. To the point "records vs muster", well English isn't my native language but using google the term muster is ofter connected with the troops strength like "Napoleon could muster some 72,000 men...", so I would expect to find strength numbers like how many players there are for each rank or something like that, I didn't expect to find the details about achievements, medals, ranks, etc. of our players under it. But I must admit a close thing to muster is musterroll what is translated as "Stammrolle" and the so called "Kriegsstammrolle" or "Kriegsrangliste" was a list of members of a unit with data for each member reaching from their relatives to the battles they participated in to other recordings and this later went into the archives. But I guess that the term "musterroll" is simply to old to give the player a clue of what to find there.

Author:	David Guegan [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
We also have to remember that the page "Muster" is really a muster page since it keeps a record of all the actives officers (see last column "Active") it just happen that in the same page you have a quick overview of the record for each officer.

Author:	MCJones1810 [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
Clint, I am sorry that you feel that you were "slapped in the head" for making a comment. That was not my intention. I honesty felt like my comments were directed toward the system, certainly not at you as an individual. I did not write the code for the NWC DoR System, but I think very highly of the man who did. He dedicated a great deal of time and effort into the project for our benefit, and I greatly respect him for that. I was also not the one who chose to use the word "Muster" instead of "Records", but I was the one who asked him to expand the coding to allow all of the members to view the current battle records of thier fellow members. He and I worked together to make that a reality for the membership. I take it from your comments that you are a member of the ACWGC. Also that you prefer their Records System to ours. I have actually heard that comment before in our forums. As to our Trainers, I think the world of them, but there is room for improvement in the area of the DoR System and the introduction to our forums. We can do a better job in this regard. We can do a better job in a lot of areas outside of training as well. The day you stop looking to improve, is the day your competition starts digging your grave for you. Christian, I took it upon myself to write an orientation document for using our DoR System some time ago because I thought it was definitely needed. It was distributed to the armies so that their Trainers could give a copy to every new Cadet before they graduated from their training. Did you receive a copy of this document? Clint, the same question for you? I also permanently posted the document in the Rhine Tavern as a failsafe. Do you know where it is? Have you read it? I would welcome your comments.

Author:	Christian Hecht [ Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
No I didn't get any document, I would advise to upload that document to the Library section, I guess that is the right spot for collecting such things so everybody has access to them. I checked that thread for the DoR system and the very detailed description with screenshots makes it perfect, all needed here is simply a "Help" link on every page of the DoR system to that thread. Or you make a webpage of that and integrate it into the DoR system at the bottom Status Battles Contact Email list Edit profile View muster Log out Help But I guess that is easy talk for me as I have no clue of how complicated that is.

Author:	Clint Matthews [ Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: looking for records
I cannot say for sure if I did or not.......I probably received emails regarding that, although I joined several months ago, I was not that active.......so, Its a good bet, I probably did not pay attention. with regard to ACWGC records.........it is pretty good. Gives allot of info on each guys battles.....what scenario, who won, level of victory and how many turns the battle lasted...... as a novice, I think the NWC system should be intuitive to people like me...... if NWC has a area called records in the heading, some guys will think that's where "player records" might be.........go figure. Like allot of people out there..........I do not like having to read instructions......LOL. I am sure 6 months from now, I will have a different opinion. so in ending........my comments regarding the system, are as a very new NWC player, so.........consider the source.....lol

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Author:	John Corbin [ Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:18 am ]
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I will follow up with our training area to ensure we are doing this correctly and all possible info is made available. The DoR is central to this clubs ability to keep stats uptodate.