I decided, tomorrow is a payday, must have this....need to hear the full Marche d'Austerlitz...such an awesome sounding version!
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | French Military Music.... |
Can't wait to download this in a couple weeks for play time: http://www.amazon.com/Napol%C3%A9on-Geo ... dmusic_a_6 |
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
I decided, tomorrow is a payday, must have this....need to hear the full Marche d'Austerlitz...such an awesome sounding version!
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| Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
I'm thinking you can make copy of the MP3 files and convert them to wav format and run them in your games if you want to Scott.
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
Can just pop the MP3's into Media player, that's usually what I do. I listen to the music too when I am not gaming sometimes. What I want to know is how to take a downloaded MP3 and be able to load it and edit is in a music program and then lift out the clip and place it into a Flash file. I can do it with CD burned music, but I think there is file write protections on the downloaded stuff. Might be my flash is too old too. It is helpful as it will compact the file greatly when done right and shrink the file size....plus I can neatly hide the music on the pages of my sites... |
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| Author: | Philippe Divine [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
I can't answer the Flash question because it's a technology I haven't concerned myself with up until now. Though that may change in the near future because I finally broke down and got Shogun 2 and I need to figure out how to get rid of the annoying static popping sounds that seem endemic to the music. It probably involves updating sound drivers, I just need to figure out which ones. Though there's still some residual music in my mods, I've largely given up on music in the Napoleonic mods because the random selection process for music files that the game engine uses is so unfortunate. If you have a dozen files in the music folder, the game tends to play about four of them over and over, and the effective selection is so small that it's impossible not to notice the repetition. This seems to be a fault of many music playing programs from that era, though Tiller's programming of this particular feature seems to be the least robust of any on the market. Ageod's is a bit better (you'd have to ask Philippe Malacher how he does it) but the repetition is still there. I still remember being blown away by the music in Europa Universalis II, so Johann Anderson seems to have figured out how to do it properly ten years ago. No idea how he did it. What's frustrating about music in the JTS/HPS Napoleonic games is that I seem to recall that the Talonsoft predecessors didn't suffer from this problem. Not only that, but I could swear that they only played French music during the French turn, German music during the Prussian turn, Russian during the Russian turn, and so forth. So in that sense the program that we're looking at now is a big step backwards from what we had ten years ago. I recently picked up a copy of Campaign Overland and started playing around with modding it. One of the first things that I focused on was the music. Thomas Hook's taste in music is pretty questionable when you get outside of this continent, and I often disagree with it even when it stays at home, but over the years some of his choices for ACW music have been pretty decent (and I really wish I still had my Talonsoft ACW cd's, because I'm pretty sure there were some very nice piano renditions in a few of the early games). After weeding out the anachronistically modern music I put together a selection of ACW music from the Tiller games over the years, loaded it into my music folder, and tried to get lost in the Wilderness. I immediately discovered two things. First, it had been a while since I had played ACW games, and hearing someone singing proved to be a big distraction. Second, repetition continued to be a problem. So the first thing I did was remember that the music in Ageod's ACW game didn't use words, and there was a lot of it. So after putting together my own collection of wordless music (and yes, there were probably a lot of Ken Burns clips in there as well), I loaded up a new music file that would be atmospheric, reasonably authentic, and varied. And the blasted thing kept playing the same three songs over and over again in different orders. I finally threw in the towel and pulled out my sound editor. I used to use Razor Lame but after it stopped working for some reason, Ed Williams (who is really good at sound) turned me on to a demonstration copy of Gold Wave, which is amazingly robust, well-designed, easy to use, and completely free (as long as I use it less than 1000 times). I mention this because Gold Wave makes it so easy to convert from one file format to another (MPEG to WAV is trivial) that I no longer notice when I've done it -- except when I notice that the quality of the sound is so high that the file is too big vis-a-vis bandwidth and downloading. But one of the other things that Gold Wave can do is to merge all the files in a folder into one single giant file. The songs in that file will always be played in the same order, but Tiller's program seems to have no problem playing the file repeatedly in spite of its size -- but because of the large number of songs in the file, the repetition is not jarring. I'm not going to start doing massive sound overhauls to my Napoleonic mods for a whole host of reasons, one of which is that bulking up each mod by another 100 Mb of zipped wave files would anhilate my bandwidth. Using the marching and battle sound files of the current set of JTS Napoleonic games seems to work best, as long as you only play the games with headphones or when your significant other is out of the house (unless she happens to enjoy 19th century martial music). Mine is an omnivore who likes Wagnerian opera (what's not to like), but she has her limits and one of them seems to be about 250 seconds of Napoleonic military music (longer for Frederick the Great, but he was a good flute player and half-decent composer). So the only game I ever play while listening to the stereo is Mount and Blade, because she seems to like medieval music even more than I do. For those that want to go the Gold Wave single giant sound file in the music folder route, I should mention that Ageod's first Napoleon game has a really good collection of French music. I don't play that particular game because the geographical errors are infuriating (and the French are supposed to be good at geography because they used to make you study it in school -- go figure) but there may be a demo that is still available on their site. If it's still there, it has all of the Napoleonic favorites. A word of warning. Something weird happened to French taste in military music after the middle of the 20th century. It's gotten incredibly bad. So you probably won't want to spend money to buy modern renditions of the old songs, unless you're into that sort of thing (not that there's anything wrong with that). My favorite modern French military song is Opium, a soulful tune from the late '20's- early '30's about being lonely and homesick in some god-forsaken colonial town and turning to drugs for solace. The only versions of it you can find on the web are a horrible modern rendition with chanted chorus, probably because it seems to have become a kind of official theme-song for the French Marines. I can usually manage hit the 'off' button before they finish singing 'Dans le port de Sa-ai-gon', if I'm not cringing too hard. Having said that, there also used to be some great sound clips on French re-enactor sites. The problem with the Napoleonic music though, is that everyone else is badly unrepresented: it just doesn't sound right for 85% of the music to be French (and almost none of it Austrian). |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
Maybe we could use this thread to collect some free music resources. I looked thru my links but didn't find anything. Currently I just made a playlist that combines the AGEod songs of their Napoleon game and the background sounds of Leipzig. The mix of sound & music fits very well, at least for me, I had that style already in TOAW:CW & TOAW:III where also battle sounds and music is played rotative and that gives a nice atmosphere. |
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| Author: | Christian Hecht [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
Besides free music(if there really is some out there in the WWW), some tips for soundtracks or other commercial sources would be good too. My tip if you can get the "Waterloo" soundtrack of the 1970 movie cheap its worth a try, here a little preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjHw3pkrY-A Although there are not to many real marches in it and its only 33 minutes long but as said if you can get it cheap it's surely a nice addition. |
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| Author: | Ernie Sands [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
[quote]Thomas Hook's taste in music is pretty questionable when you get outside of this continent[/quote] That is probably right, but the music fits the period. Also, I have heard him live a couple of times and it is really good. Also, members are an AMAZING resource of information and it is a very valuable thing that members SHARE! Keep up the good information!! |
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| Author: | nelmsm [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
Heck Scott, if you wanted French Military music why didn't you just go to the iTunes store and download Springsteen's Born to Run!  You would have had the perfect tune for playing those Waterloo or Russian Campaign scenarios!
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| Author: | EaglesFly [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
Just like the allies to have selective memory - seems to me at Austerlitz they were in top marathon form - |
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| Author: | MCJones1810 [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
nelmsm wrote: Heck Scott, if you wanted French Military music why didn't you just go to the iTunes store and download Springsteen's Born to Run! You would have had the perfect tune for playing those Waterloo or Russian Campaign scenarios!Helga, a drink for the fine Field Marshal on my tab! A man speaking such truths always deserves the honors. 
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
A lot of good stuff....some good ideas too Philippe and insight. I actually created a playlist of the historic music files and just left off the new weird stuff....I have some good German & Austrian CD's & British ones too.... |
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| Author: | Philippe Divine [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
I'd be curious to know the titles of those particular cd's so I could check them out. My big complaint about Hook's Napoleonic selections is that most of them are either not from the Napoleonic period or are played incorrectly for the period. You shouldn't be listening to late 19th century oompah music while playing on a Napoleonic battlefield, and 20th century jug band renditions of Thomas Arne don't really cut it. It's fine for a Victorian-era game to have Souzaesque marches playing in the background, but not for something taking place at the beginning of the 19th century -- the musical sensiblities were totally different. |
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
I actually chuckled when I re-read your post about your significant other and the music. Mine actually makes up words to the battle hymn of the republic because of the very long Chickamauga game Pete Russo & I are playing and the fact sometimes it is loaded almost 10 times a day, depending on how quick Pete & I turn the turns around... As for the music, this is one of them: http://www.amazon.com/German-Military-M ... ry+marches I can't find the other at the moment. This might be the British one, not too sure. I'd have to dig out my CD's: http://www.amazon.com/Regimental-Marche ... tary+music |
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| Author: | Scott Ludwig [ Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: French Military Music.... |
nelmsm wrote: Heck Scott, if you wanted French Military music why didn't you just go to the iTunes store and download Springsteen's Born to Run! You would have had the perfect tune for playing those Waterloo or Russian Campaign scenarios!The Prussian in me replies that Wellington's song was "Pompous Circumstances!" 
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