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Voting for corps commanders in the French Army
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Author:  David Guegan [ Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Voting for corps commanders in the French Army
In fairness I think it would be better if we decided in the French Army to elect our Corps Commanders since our friends and fellow members on the other side (Coalition) will have to vote for their different armies commanders.
We have 5 corps and they have 5 armies.

What do you think about it?
Author:  Scott Ludwig [ Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:13 pm ]
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An interesting proposal, especially considering most French Corps' are the size of most of the Coalition Armies....
Author:  Art Ozols [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:23 am ]
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voting offers the members a chance to make their voice heard. I would have no issue with it
Author:  Aloysius Kling Sr [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:31 am ]
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I find the idea of electing LGA corps commanders a very plausible idea. We could achieve this within the LGA by simply deciding to it.My only caveat would be the elected commaders understood their responsibilities. But I am sure we could work it out.
Author:  John Corbin [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:32 am ]
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I agree with Al. This is a good idea
Author:  Todd Schmidgall [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:33 am ]
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Salute!

It certainly would take a lot of nerve to argue against the membership having the privilege of choosing their leaders.

For myself, to keep things simple in the club I would have preferred each main club army elect the CiC (for the two year term) who then appoints his subordinate commanders - by electing the CiC the membership are obviously approving that person for the job, and should have faith in his decisions going forward - until the next election.

But, if the Revised Club Rules are approved by the majority of the membership - then as they stand the Coalition armies will be electing their leaders, and whether out of sense of fairness or desire to have the same privilege and responsibility within the ranks of LGA, I would support such a measure.

Regards,
Author:  clifton seeney [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:42 pm ]
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The revolutionary Armee was built on that ask Nay ask some of the great leadersImageby Bill Peterson

How does one define the Napoleonic Era? Sometimes, we seem to think the nations and armies we study sprang to life in 1805, from nothing. If one viewed history only through currently-available Talonsoft and HPS wargames, Europe was created in 1809!

To understand an era, one must try to see it through the eyes of the people who lived it. What were their formative experiences? Why did they believe what they believed?

The two chief iconic figures of the Napoleonic Era, Napoleone Buonaparte and Arthur Wellesley, were both born in 1769. They turned 20 in 1789, the year of the French Revolution; their entire adult lives were consumed with the ensuing convulsions. Blücher was then a 47-year-old Lieutenant-Colonel in Prussia's Black Hussars; Kutusov, 44, was leading Jägers against the Turks; the Archduke Charles was turning 18. All these, and practically every actor in the Napoleonic epic, were profoundly marked by the years 1789-1805.

My own interest in the Revolutionary back-story of the Napoleonic Era has been stimulated by my current project, translating Chuquet's Les Guerres de la Révolution, Volume II: Valmy for the Nafziger Collection. One of the central figures encountered in that work is Dumouriez, the hero (with Kellermann) of Valmy, savior of the Revolution, and a towering personality every bit as ruthless and ambitious as Bonaparte. A fascinating alternate-history exercise is to consider what might have occurred had Dumouriez not fallen out of political favor after the Battle of Neerwinden and turned traitor to save his neck: We could well be studying the campaigns of the Dumouriez Era.

Learn about Dumouriez in Meet the Leaders, sing Revolutionary songs from The NWC Songbook, and admire the images of battles and uniforms from the 1790's.

Aux armes, citoyens!
Author:  clifton seeney [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:47 pm ]
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My fellow gamers the one who put the end too that great Leader was Sargent Dumas who inform General Davout of his dishonor long live the revolution and the Ideas of FJE
Author:  Christian Hecht [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:47 pm ]
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Question is how many eligible candidates do we have for the post of a corps commander?
It would be nice if we could vote but I would also not mind if the CiC fills the position with the one he thinks is the best.
Author:  Scott Ludwig [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:54 pm ]
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Cliff......the historical points you mention are very, very neat! :) I like reading it a lot....I might be coming to you to do a Newsletter article...
Author:  Scott Ludwig [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:55 pm ]
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Christian Hecht wrote:
Question is how many eligible candidates do we have for the post of a corps commander?
It would be nice if we could vote but I would also not mind if the CiC fills the position with the one he thinks is the best.


Per the proposed rules, these are the requirements:

3.2.5 - Corps Commander ( CC )

Each Corps within an Army has one Corps Commander who is responsible for all of the administrative duties associated with the command of his Corps.

Each Corps Commander:

• Serves as the leader of one Corps within his army.
• Reports to his Army Commander on a monthly basis.
• Maintains accurate records of officers in his command. This would include such things as OBD Points, Medals, Ranks and Email Addresses.
• Assists his Army Commander in the performance of quarterly musters, or any other action necessary, to ensure that all officers of his Corps are ‘Active’ in accordance with Section 2 of the NWC Club Rules.
• Is appointed by his Army Commander and has no limit on the term or number of years that he may serve in this position. An Army Commander may retain, or replace, his Corps Commander at his discretion.


So pretty much anyone....
Author:  clifton seeney [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:49 pm ]
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Author:  Theron Lambert [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:10 pm ]
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I have no problem with the concept and would not mind being supplanted by someone else, but I do question whether we have a significant number of members in our corps seeking for greater responsibility and involvement. I currently have a vacant division command slot and several brigades within the corps lacking commanders. If we don't have additional people ready and willing to step up I'm not sure what elections would accomplish. On the other hand, perhaps corps members would feel more inclined to support someone they have chosen themselves....
Author:  clifton seeney [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:37 pm ]
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Why not limiting the Corps and full the post with what you have!
Author:  David Guegan [ Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:34 am ]
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Theron Lambert wrote:
I have no problem with the concept and would not mind being supplanted by someone else, but I do question whether we have a significant number of members in our corps seeking for greater responsibility and involvement. I currently have a vacant division command slot and several brigades within the corps lacking commanders. If we don't have additional people ready and willing to step up I'm not sure what elections would accomplish. On the other hand, perhaps corps members would feel more inclined to support someone they have chosen themselves....


I created this topic because that's what will happen to all the Coalition armies, they will have elections and some of them are way smaller than a French corps, others have the same size and I guess only the British Army is bigger. It will happen just because we have corps and they have armies but at the end it's kind of the same.
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