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Author:  bijl0130 [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:00 am ]
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Dear all, on request of several cabinet members and many officers I returned the position of CiC, and thus myself, today to the Cabinet.

Author:  John Corbin [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: returned to the cabinet

Thanks for coming back Marco

Author:  Antony Barlow [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:03 am ]
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A positive step. Thanks Marco.

Author:  David Stotsenburgh [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:29 am ]
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I have to agree this is a positive step. thanks for returning

Author:  Scott Ludwig [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:41 am ]
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Good deal.... :)

Author:  MCJones1810 [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:58 am ]
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Sorry Marco, but that is not how this works. You cannot simply come and go as you please. You were appointed to the Cabinet on July 13, 2011 by the five Cabinet members then standing who were John Corbin, Scott Ludwig, Chuck Jensen, Jeka Gulyaev, and Gary McClellan who had stepped down as the Coalition CinC thus creating the vacancy. You resigned of your own free will, but you cannot return to a post that you willfully abandoned in the same manner.

I will consult the four standing Cabinet members to see if they are willing to allow you to return to the Cabinet. Under the precedent buy which you became the Coalition CinC, i.e. Cabinet Appointment, they would also have the right to appoint someone to take your place. Their majority vote will decide the issue. If the new club rules are adopted, it will thereafter be the members who decide the issue by their majority vote.

Author:  Ed Blackburn [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:08 am ]
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That sounds fair Mark.

Author:  David Guegan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:56 am ]
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MCJones1810 wrote:
Sorry Marco, but that is not how this works. You cannot simply come and go as you please. You were appointed to the Cabinet on July 13, 2011 by the five Cabinet members then standing who were John Corbin, Scott Ludwig, Chuck Jensen, Jeka Gulyaev, and Gary McClellan who had stepped down as the Coalition CinC thus creating the vacancy. You resigned of your own free will, but you cannot return to a post that you willfully abandoned in the same manner.

I will consult the four standing Cabinet members to see if they are willing to allow you to return to the Cabinet. Under the precedent buy which you became the Coalition CinC, i.e. Cabinet Appointment, they would also have the right to appoint someone to take your place. Their majority vote will decide the issue. If the new club rules are adopted, it will thereafter be the members who decide the issue by their majority vote.


If we take his words for what they are Marco said he retreated from the Cabinet... and then came back.

What happen if the Cabinet can't decide what to do because of a split vote since you have only 4 voting members?

It's nice to make-up new rules as you go since there is nothing in the actual rules that talk about it... not even in the rules to come. The only thing I can see is that any side can interpret them the way they want.

Author:  David Stotsenburgh [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:09 am ]
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I agree with David, big difference between retreating and resigning.

Author:  Ed Blackburn [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:12 am ]
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I see no difference at all, it is simply parsing now that he wants to come back.

Author:  Jim Hall [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:14 pm ]
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Gentlemen

"How many Officers can dance on the Head of a Needle" Brigade to the front :D

OED Retreat = Retire

Would the Cabinet give this matter some carful consideration :!:

By all means take a vote on the return issue, if there is a tie then consider how it may be resolved.

Either hold a quick election for a replacement for the "retired" C. C. in C. or co-opt a member that all Cabinet Members approve until the Rule vote is decided .

Author:  David Guegan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:32 pm ]
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Quote:
Definition of retreat in English:
retreat
Syllabification: re·treat
Pronunciation: /riˈtrēt

/
verb


1(of an army) withdraw from enemy forces as a result of their superior power or after a defeat: the French retreated in disarray

1.1move back or withdraw: it becomes so hot that the lizards retreat into the shade a series of trenches which filled with water when the ice retreated (as adjective retreating) the sound of retreating footsteps

1.2withdraw to a quiet or secluded place: after the funeral he retreated to the shore

1.3change one’s decisions, plans, or attitude, as a result of criticism from others: his proposals were clearly unreasonable and he was soon forced to retreat

1.4(of shares of stock) decline in value: [with complement]: shares retreated 32 points to 653 points

1.5 [with object] Chess move (a piece) back from a forward or threatened position on the board.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... sh/retreat

Author:  David Guegan [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:37 pm ]
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I have to say I don't like the first sentence of the example please read Coalition instead of French :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Author:  Jim Hall [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:44 pm ]
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Gentlemen

Perhaps I should have put "Fairies" not "Officers" :lol:

I will show you my edition if you will show me yours :)

Author:  Tony Barrett [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:55 pm ]
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First people complain that he stepped down because he should/could not - Now people complain he stepped up because he should/could not.

Stepping up puts us where we were - So ....... is there some method whereby we can :-

(a) Decide if he should stay.

(b) Decide who would replace him.

I don't know the man - I did not realise until recently that there was so much politics within the club.

I am just airing "my" confusion over "my" perception of recent events - suppose I should add "again" ;-) Perhaps I should start my own web site - Confused dot Com. Rats! Someone has beaten me to it. ;-)

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