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I had a great time, enjoyed playing and sometimes even participated at the forums.
Sadly, that is no longer the case
Battles are still appealing and fun, but overall, belonging to the NWC is not.
I did mention this a couple times before, but as things are not changing I AM.

The whole´organizational approach´ and -role playing aspect- of the club appeal to very few people..
(But apparently these few are the ones in charge of running ´our´ Club)
Yeah, you gentlemen have a close-knit friend community, but most of the players just try to steer clear of it all.
I tried to just avoid most non-gaming elements

But lately with the Rule Changes, The Forum Signature Rules!, Elections, Stupid internal Politics and feuds et all it has been too much-

Before I get labeled as a ´non active player´ or a ´Forum Non Poster´ or a Forum member with a big non standarized signature or whatever other folish rule I just quit.

Cant help but thinking- Why the hell these people care so much about rules, elections and the like for a video gaming club?

There is no Elan de Corps and no real incentive for winning.. no carrot to be competitive at all.

I tried to give ideas to our club, mainly focused on the gaming aspect-
Such as trying an inter-web page tournament Vs people from the Blitz, Matrix and other Nappy clubs
To make a ladder, to have permanent touneys, randomly generated matches, rank-wager games and la la..Bust mostly, TO FOCUS ON THE GAMING ASPECT of the Club.

Its hard enough for good old hex based strategy games to hold their own these days against modern games-
Truth is I have more fun on some of these and thus am leaving.

If the NWC wants to stay alive (amongst younger generations at least) It needs to change- Urgently.
or It shall go down eventually, just as Napoleon did.

Overall an open letter to the members would have been better, so to raise their attention and concerns and to see what comes out instead of a goodbye letter, this now was effort put in the wrong direction.

Author:	Fernando LopezGallo [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Leaving the NWC
Fine Gents Just wanted to share with my former opponents (Mark H. / Alessandro S. / Hector L. / Todd S. / Etc. ) as well as my excellent Spanish Brigade companions and friends (and anyone interested) my feeling and reasons for leaving the club. I joined the NWC almost three years ago- Learnt to play from great people and players (Andy Moss, Mike Haley, MC Jones) I had a great time, enjoyed playing and sometimes even participated at the forums. Sadly, that is no longer the case Battles are still appealing and fun, but overall, belonging to the NWC is not. I did mention this a couple times before, but as things are not changing I AM. Here are my toughts gents, maybe hearing some of them may stop more members from leaving: The whole´organizational approach´ and -role playing aspect- of the club appeal to very few people.. (But apparently these few are the ones in charge of running ´our´ Club) Yeah, you gentlemen have a close-knit friend community, but most of the players just try to steer clear of it all. I tried to just avoid most non-gaming elements But lately with the Rule Changes, The Forum Signature Rules!, Elections, Stupid internal Politics and feuds et all it has been too much- Before I get labeled as a ´non active player´ or a ´Forum Non Poster´ or a Forum member with a big non standarized signature or whatever other folish rule I just quit. Its not worth it. Cant help but thinking- Why the hell these people care so much about rules, elections and the like for a video gaming club? There is no Elan de Corps and no real incentive for winning.. no carrot to be competitive at all. I tried to give ideas to our club, mainly focused on the gaming aspect- Such as trying an inter-web page tournament Vs people from the Blitz, Matrix and other Nappy clubs To make a ladder, to have permanent touneys, randomly generated matches, rank-wager games and la la..Bust mostly, TO FOCUS ON THE GAMING ASPECT of the Club. Its hard enough for good old hex based strategy games to hold their own these days against modern games- Truth is I have more fun on some of these and thus am leaving. If the NWC wants to stay alive (amongst younger generations at least) It needs to change- Urgently. or It shall go down eventually, just as Napoleon did. I respectfully request to be considered a ´non active player´ from now on. Farewell and thank you all. (Former) Capitán Fernando LopezGallo Regimiento Tiradores De Castilla Brigada Española The Anglo Alied Army

Author:	MCJones1810 [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Sorry to see you leave, Fernando. You have some interesting points of view, and I certainly agree with you that the 'politics' in our club needs to die an untimely and permanent death. Like so many aspects of human culture, it is one thing to wish for change, but entirely something else to actually effect it. The latter is much more difficult than the former. I hope you find the more enjoyable gaming experience that you seek. It rather sounds like The Blitz might be a better fit for what you are seeking. Andy Moss would know more of that than I. Perhaps he will be along directly to offer his advice in this regard, assuming of course that you are still reading this thread. Best of luck to you where ever your path ultimately leads.

Author:	Christian Hecht [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Fernando LopezGallo wrote: I had a great time, enjoyed playing and sometimes even participated at the forums. Sadly, that is no longer the case Battles are still appealing and fun, but overall, belonging to the NWC is not. I did mention this a couple times before, but as things are not changing I AM. Well I guess as with every other club there are good and bad times, if you don't wont to go thru bad times you will jump around a lot in the world wide web as its almost everywhere the same old up and down just like real life. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: The whole´organizational approach´ and -role playing aspect- of the club appeal to very few people.. (But apparently these few are the ones in charge of running ´our´ Club) Yeah, you gentlemen have a close-knit friend community, but most of the players just try to steer clear of it all. I tried to just avoid most non-gaming elements First I totally disagree with this part, neither "very few" nor "most try to stay clear" fits, this isn't something a cow dropped and were you should better circle around it, just because a lot don't act in that way doesn't mean they dislike it or are even annoyed of it. Second it's again totally natural that those who are into the whole thing from top to toe are also running these things as they are the only ones with enough passion to do so, do you really think some sleepyheads could run this? This is a club and no government, if they would run it this club would turn over on the beach like a dead whale within months. Third its sounds just like a none RPG player who complains about the RPG players doing their "enactment" on an RPG MMO server, and like the Admins there I say "you don't have to if you don't want", is there anyone forcing you to? I doubt it and you should rather enjoy how much Entertainment some here provide or as I said simply don't care about. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: But lately with the Rule Changes, The Forum Signature Rules!, Elections, Stupid internal Politics and feuds et all it has been too much- Again all this you will find also everywhere else, every club has its rules and these get improved once in a while, every forum has signatures rules or at least has them sooner or later because people try to make some signatures that need half an hour to load, election is also natural for a none democratic club, that some members step on others toes is also nothing exclusive for this club. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: Before I get labeled as a ´non active player´ or a ´Forum Non Poster´ or a Forum member with a big non standarized signature or whatever other folish rule I just quit. Here I must admit that I still don't think we have to close the door so easily if someone wasn't participating in the club but well the rules written on paper are one thing and how they are used out in the green is another, you should have waited to see how things go. And again signature rules and others are not here for fun but to allow the club to have some sort of guidance, anarchy just doesn't work not even in the WWW even if it may look so. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: Cant help but thinking- Why the hell these people care so much about rules, elections and the like for a video gaming club? They care about it to get things rolling, as I said it's simply not done by leaning back and waiting for a miracle. And "video gaming club" are on mass out there, this club is much more at least for those that try to utilize that. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: There is no Elan de Corps and no real incentive for winning.. no carrot to be competitive at all. First you condemn the spirit shown here now you miss it, so what should it be? If you really need some "stimulus" to win you really need a break. And a warning here, overly competitive behavior has already ruined more than one club/game/webpage etc. as all the participats went nuts and things stated to degenerate, just like real life. But I agree so far as that winning or losing could have a little more impact. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: I tried to give ideas to our club, mainly focused on the gaming aspect- Such as trying an inter-web page tournament Vs people from the Blitz, Matrix and other Nappy clubs To make a ladder, to have permanent touneys, randomly generated matches, rank-wager games and la la..Bust mostly, TO FOCUS ON THE GAMING ASPECT of the Club. Overall not bad, although a ladder is more or less visible in the DOR system only some form of sorting is missing, tournament is just the thing both candidates for the POR position aim for, not sure how you want to "randomly" generate a match with this engine, and not sure what you mean by "rank-wager games" but this isn't some console gaming community if you mean something in that direction. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: Its hard enough for good old hex based strategy games to hold their own these days against modern games- Truth is I have more fun on some of these and thus am leaving. Not so hard with no really opposition, at least not if the field of Napoleon. Sure modern games have there benefits but what I saw over the years since 2000 is a decline in depth that all the graphic and sound firework can't hide, at least not from me and that is exactly why I'm here and not toying around with the Total War series for example. Fernando LopezGallo wrote: If the NWC wants to stay alive (amongst younger generations at least) It needs to change- Urgently. or It shall go down eventually, just as Napoleon did. To be honest I see that a certain maturity is needed to be here as the overall field we are moving in is very "dry" sometimes, this is simply nothing for kids and this isn't something that is related to the club, this already starts with the games, gee I didn't play such games till past my 25th birthday. Overall an open letter to the members would have been better, so to raise their attention and concerns and to see what comes out instead of a goodbye letter, this now was effort put in the wrong direction.

Author:	Mark Hornsby [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
To a very dear friend we exchanged some fantastic emails they were excellent conversations and I enjoyed our game immensely. Look after yourself my friend stay in touch won't you. Best wishes

Author:	Andy Moss [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Sorry to hear this Fernando. I'll email you. Christian above makes some excellent replies and you may wish to take time to read these.

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Author:	Jim Hall [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Morning Fernando Would be very sad to see you go. Perhaps sleep on it and reconsider. As has been said Clubs evolve and things will settle down.

Author:	Ed Blackburn [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Hi Fernando, I really hope you will stick around and give us some more time to sort things out. You make some some excellent points and if you don't mind waiting a while longer I think things wll settle down and be more to your liking. The club is going through a round of "growing pains" as most endeavors in life do. In the USA we have a saying "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water". Hope you will reconsider.

Author:	Antony Barlow [ Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
I'm sorry to hear that Fernando. Won't you reconsider? I've been in this club for over 15 years and keep a fairly low profile these days, but I still enjoy the camaraderie and the excellent opponents one finds here, just like I always did. Can't you just ignore the bits of club life that annoy you and enjoy your gaming? Best wishes to you, whatever you decide...

Author:	Michael Ellwood [ Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Leaving the NWC
Hi Fernando, I don't know you, but I sympathise with your feelings as I've recently returned and am a bit surprised at the new politics. I would hazard a guess most do also have similar feelings. It would be sad to see you leave on such a note though. However Christian and the others make the point of our 'growing pains' and that time, patience and persistence can pay off. I think a lot of what Christian says is true and that what you say about the rewards for win/loss could be looked at are also true. As the fine fellows say, reconsider, take some time and do understand we're all here to enjoy and battle each other. We each can choose our level of participation by choice but some organisations have to have rules to run securely and effectively (the scale of rules is another matter!!! LOL). All the best anyways

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