Salute!
Jeff Bardon wrote:
French Sous Lt = Coalition Field Marshal or Feldmarschall
Documentation complete, moving on.
Regards,
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| Author: | David Guegan [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Standardization |
As seen here: viewtopic.php?f=40&t=14480 Quote: Initial discussions have begun on standardizing ranks and training awards across all the armies. The President has done a lot of work already on the ranks piece. Could we know what it is about? |
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| Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Of course you can. It would be an effort to document the how ranks correspond to each other across the armies. For example, what does a French Sous LT equal in the AAA, Prussian, Russian and Austrian armies. The goal would be to make the promotions as standardized as is possible. Also, there could be some effort to standardize the awarding of points for training across the armies both for the trainer and trainee. At the moment the President is making a table to chart equivalent ranks. This will be presented to their membership when it is completed. Still in the early stages. |
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| Author: | David Guegan [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
What is the reason for doing that? Isn't it to each side to decide within themselves what they want (as long that they get the same treatment in that said side/army)? Did someone complain about it? We have been assured many times that each army/side could work thier own way without Cabinet interfering with them. It's ain't broken don't fix it.... |
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| Author: | Aloysius Kling Sr [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
The Armies and Cabinet are one in the same, all members of the club. Battle On... |
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| Author: | Jeff Bardon [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Red Nemesis wrote: Of course you can. It would be an effort to document the how ranks correspond to each other across the armies. For example, what does a French Sous LT equal in the AAA, Prussian, Russian and Austrian armies. The goal would be to make the promotions as standardized as is possible. Also, there could be some effort to standardize the awarding of points for training across the armies both for the trainer and trainee. At the moment the President is making a table to chart equivalent ranks. This will be presented to their membership when it is completed. Still in the early stages. French Sous Lt = Coalition Field Marshal or Feldmarschall Documentation complete, moving on. |
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| Author: | Todd Schmidgall [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Salute! Jeff Bardon wrote: French Sous Lt = Coalition Field Marshal or Feldmarschall Documentation complete, moving on. Regards, |
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| Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Thank you Jeff, I was just going to ask you. 
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| Author: | David Guegan [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Since some people want to standardize everything maybe we should stop having armies and end up like the Blitz.... That seems to be anyway where we are heading. When I joined this club many years ago I joined because I liked that each army was different. That spirit seems to die little by little. |
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| Author: | Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
David, This club is nothing like the Blitz. Just because there is some uniformity to the ranking system is a minimal adjustment - after all, there was and is a standardization of equivalency to military ranks - in the real world presently, and historically. What is more of an adjustment is the points necessary to achieve these ranks - making them more equitable across the club armies. You say the spirit within each army of being different is dying... I fail to see how the adjusting of ranks, which is nothing out of the ordinary equates to a dying spirit. Frankly, when I joined this club several years ago I found it to be quite stale, if I may say so. Now, I find that there is far more interaction among the officers within each army and across the divide. And very importantly, officers now receive timely awarding of promotions in rank and medals earned in the cauldron of battle upon the campaign maps. I'll take this improvement over the months that passed waiting for such acknowledgement in the past. Each to our own view, but I'll take the progress and evolution of the NWC as it currently stands any day of the week. Regards, |
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| Author: | David Guegan [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
What I see is that there are less than 200 active officers in the club which is less than what we had when we finished the year 2013. So yes we know the Mantra "it's better now than before". Sure it's better but why stop there? I haven't heard anybody complain about their ranks and the way members move up in ranks. So to me it doesn't seem to be a priority within the club. But what seems to be a priority is to have : - a tournament running - take care of recruitment. Since Mr Schmidgall you are the officer in charge of finding new ways to recruit members could you enlighten us of what you have done so far after 4 months in office? Do you need help? Have you created a NWC page on Facebook? etc... |
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| Author: | Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
Salute! david wrote: What I see is that there are less than 200 active officers in the club which is less than what we had when we finished the year 2013. Just because you have a muster roll with a certain number of names on it - that does not equate to the reality of who actually is a participating member - and I mean that in the broadest sense possible. A muster roll of non-active members is a faux reality - that does nothing more than make a statistician who covets high numbers as a value very happy. Not to mention fake memberships, and individuals attempting to create them on an on-going basis. In fact I've had a crash course of late in learning about fake personae's and trying to understand what motivates some people to engage in the subterfuge of creating a false identity and attempting to fool others in who they are. As for acting as PR officer for the club I learned much of the process involved from talking with former PR officers and the documentation they left behind to guide those that follow after. Including having joined several clubs and engaging people I meet there in discussions about our like interests in gaming and internet gaming clubs, etc. There are gaming clubs that offer varying degrees of interest to their members. I personally have yet to find one that offers the levels of membership interaction the NWC (and our affiliated historical clubs) provides and manifests through our vibrant forums and club armies. And it is in this area that I spend much time as well, interacting with new as well as longtime members, to learn from them what it is they enjoy (or not) about the NWC, what they would like to see here, etc. I'm happy to say we have a broad array of members with a variety of interests in our shared passion for Napoleonic war gaming, and there is much to be discovered and shared between us. Regards, |
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| Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
In order for the points system to have maximal meaning I think they need to be standardized. For example one army awarding 100 pts. while another awards 3 pts. for the exact same function is out of accord. We are discussing standardizing admin functions which make managing the club easier and the points system more meaningful. We all want to see the various flavors of the different armies maintained. |
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| Author: | David Guegan [ Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
And what about creating a facebook page for the club. It's easy to setup and it might help connect members and prospective members? Also I have heard a few people asking for a tournament, is it something we will see acter summer to help pick-up activity? What about contacting figurines clubs? Etc... |
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| Author: | clifton seeney [ Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
What does rank mean anyway a general can't tell a Lt to go this way or that way in a MP game the MP teams agree to play as one a Lt can be commander or a General can be a follower. One General can tell another General what ever he feels like it. It's just means nothing and all these honors are just battles played. Fancy is fancy it might is well be like the blitz! |
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| Author: | Ed Blackburn [ Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Standardization |
davidguegan wrote: And what about creating a facebook page for the club. It's easy to setup and it might help connect members and prospective members? Also I have heard a few people asking for a tournament, is it something we will see acter summer to help pick-up activity? What about contacting figurines clubs? Etc... Interesting idea, would it have to be setup under an individuals name? We are working on a tourny and were thinking it would be best to start in the fall when everyone is back from vacays. Not sure on the figurine clubs unfortunately I never have been involved in miniatures. I don't have the patience for all that painting. 
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