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Author:	Christian Rizo [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:33 am ]
Post subject:	Night rules
Salute everybody! I have a question for those who apply night rules, for example, as it is described below (at Waterloo): -Night turn from 10:30 (No hostilities) to 4:45. Once night turn is upon us NO FORWARD movement beyond current lines, No hostilities. -Movement to re-organize formations is permitted until 11 pm ( i.e. reserves and supplies can move forward ). Beaten or retreating armies can move back. -No movement between 11 pm and 4:45 am. Resuming of hostilities at 5AM As you can see on this map, how to apply night rules with surrounded units? For the moment it is 9.00pm but I'm not sure to have thoroughly cleaned the ground in time! And also, there other places in that huge battle which can be concerned. Do I have to let them sleep soundly or may I abbreviate their sufferings even after 10.30pm? Thank you for your advices, I think it can be useful for everybody (who applies night rules )

Author:	Todd Schmidgall [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Salute! Hi Christian, I often use night rules in my games as well. I typically use the following standard: Once the turn shows night there is no more combat (except for units that are surrounded - as you point out); and no advances into uncontrolled territory - movement on roads only (LoC) within friendly territory until midnight. No movement until turn shows Dawn, and then only along friendly LoC; with combat operations beginning at Day light. Reinforcements which arrive between midnight and Dawn have to remain in arrival hex. There are of course many variations one can apply to this as you see fit. I've also played where anything goes through out the night turns. I would think that the main reason to apply night rules is to simulate the necessity for troops to rest. Night combat can be difficult enough as troops do not undisorder as easily as during the day, and as in reality, combat operations at night can be fraught with many perils... Join me for a libation, sir... Regards,

Author:	Andy Moss [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Under those circumstances I'd say it was fine to finish those units off - neither side is going to pitch tents in that situation. So it's more realistic and not at all gamey. Note to all readers: No it is not one of my disasters. If I had been in that dreadful situation I daresay I'd have surrendered at this point.

Author:	Ed Blackburn [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
For those situations I usually permit firing but no melees except for over-runs.

Author:	Andy Moss [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Yes, that's sensible

Author:	clifton seeney [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
If no night rules were stated at the beginning of the game there are no night rules

Author:	Jeff Mathes [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Concur with Ed's position. Adjacent units may continue to fire but no melee after 1 hex visibility. Don't run low on ammo Good topic as it is one that needs to be negotiated and agreed upon in the multi-day games prior to beginning hostilities.

Author:	Antony Barlow [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
I think Ed's suggestion has merit...

Author:	Christian Rizo [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
clifton seeney wrote: If no night rules were stated at the beginning of the game there are no night rules What do you mean? It's true that we didn't talk about it before starting the game but, then, in a mail, I proposed night rules (as it is written in italics in my initial post) and you agreed. Another thing: Is it exact that units in line systematically become disordered during night turns?

Author:	Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Salute! Christian asked: Is it exact that units in line systematically become disordered during night turns? Yes, that is a function of the game engine. Christian also wrote: What do you mean? It's true that we didn't talk about it before starting the game but, then, in a mail, I proposed night rules (as it is written in italics in my initial post) and you agreed. As long as it exists as an agreement between the players, it does not matter when rules are discussed/proposed. Regards,

Author:	David Guegan [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
If you don't decide together of rules for the night before the game or if those rules are not specific I am sorry to say that it's the same than having no rule.

Author:	Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Salute As long as the rules exist in an email showing both players agreed to them the rules as stated therein are valid Regards

Author:	David Guegan [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Then why having a discussion here? It's a private matter between 2 officers. If it's unresolved they contact their commanding officer and try to resolve the problem away from the forum.

Author:	Todd Schmidgall [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Salute I thought this was a discussion about Night Rules and what constitutes an agreement between players This is something that players should understand and be familiar with Regards

Author:	EaglesFly [ Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Night rules
Christian, - your questions are valid and these forums are indeed the place to raise these questions, ( contrary to an earlier comment in this thread ). I hope you will disregard the negative comment and continue to actively participate in the forums - Salute P.S. The rules Ed suggested are rules we are employing in one of out current battles and they work fine

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