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| Author: | Tony Malone [ Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:47 pm ] |
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Who were the three Division commanders in the French army known as the three immortals? Maréchal Tony R.Malone, Comte d'Auvergne et Duc de Vauchamps: Division d'Infanterie de la Moyenne Garde; CDR III Corps Armee Du Nord "The Guard may die, But it never surrenders". 
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| Author: | Al Amos [ Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:53 pm ] |
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Friant, Morand & Gudin ? Colonel Al Amos |
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| Author: | Tony Malone [ Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:09 pm ] |
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Excellent Al, I guess that one was to easy. I was re reading about Davout at Auerstadt, and they mentioned them and the fact that they were known as the three immortals. While I think Davout was second only to Napoleon in that time frame, he was a lucky man to have had three of the best Division commanders in the Army. Maréchal Tony R.Malone, Comte d'Auvergne et Duc de Vauchamps: Division d'Infanterie de la Moyenne Garde; CDR III Corps Armee Du Nord "The Guard may die, But it never surrenders".
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| Author: | Mark Eason [ Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:04 pm ] |
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Tony But were they best because of Davout? In other words, whichever 3 Davout had, would he have assigned and developed them to this level of competence? I suspect the question might be yes Regards Mark |
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| Author: | Gabriel Rodriguez [ Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:32 pm ] |
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Another that is inmortal, but he doesn´t meet in the French Army is Fidel Castro [:(] http://www.venezuela-emb.org.au/images/flag.jpg |
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| Author: | Tony Malone [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:29 am ] |
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I agree Mark, but I also believe that to be a good commander you have to have some natural ability. Like I said, I think Davout was second only to Napoleon in that era. Maréchal Tony R.Malone, Comte d'Auvergne et Duc de Vauchamps: Division d'Infanterie de la Moyenne Garde; CDR III Corps Armee Du Nord "The Guard may die, But it never surrenders".
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| Author: | WillieD13 [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:08 am ] |
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I have always wondered, about Morand and Friant. Why is it they never progressed past command of a division? As long as they were around, and as successful as they appear to have been, one would have thought them deserving of a baton. Not to downplay being given command of The Old Guard, but while it is prestigious, it hardly seems a worthwhile use of their abilities to put them in command of units that are predominantly reserves. Ensign William Davis 23rd (Royal Welsh) Fusiliers 6th Brigade Anglo-Allied Army |
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| Author: | Tony Malone [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:39 am ] |
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Good points William. It makes you wonder how they never advanced further, yet men like Victor and Marmont recieved a Baton. While Napoleon is the greatest, he made some bad mistakes. Murat leading the advance into Russia, Murat being left in command on the Elbe, Ney and Odoint being sent against Berlin, and Davout left out of the 1813, 1814, and 1815 campaigns. Just a few. But lets not forget, with out the Prussians, Ole Hook nose would have lost at Waterloo [}:)] Maréchal Tony R.Malone, Comte d'Auvergne et Duc de Vauchamps: Division d'Infanterie de la Moyenne Garde; CDR III Corps Armee Du Nord "The Guard may die, But it never surrenders".
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| Author: | Gabriel Rodriguez [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:43 am ] |
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Is true. Did you known why Davout left out of the 1813, 1814, and 1815 campaigns? http://www.venezuela-emb.org.au/images/flag.jpg |
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| Author: | Tony Malone [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:51 am ] |
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The 1813 and 1814 campaigns he was holding onnto Hamburg, he even went past Napoleons first abdication. In the 1815 Campaign he was left behind as Minister of War and to keep order in France while Napoleon was on campaign. He was the only one of the Marshals never to have swore alliegence to the Burbons, he was Napoleon's most trusted commander and his best. (Excuse the spellings, never my strong suit)[;)] Maréchal Tony R.Malone, Comte d'Auvergne et Duc de Vauchamps: Division d'Infanterie de la Moyenne Garde; CDR III Corps Armee Du Nord "The Guard may die, But it never surrenders".
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