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Undisordering Supply wagons - how?
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Author:  Andy Moss [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Undisordering Supply wagons - how?
Ok, I started this Waterloo Campaign scenario with Richy Duggan before Christmas. Just sobered up enough to resume gaming. The Prussians start off fixed, disordered, disorganized and mostly in woods and orchards. Some have now unfixed but the supply wagons and artillery are still disordered. Never had this before. Any ideas how I undisorder the things? So far I've got everyone from Blucher downwards stacked on the guns but they refuse to undisorder, and in thick mud that means they are practically immobile.

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army
Author:  D.S. Walter [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:05 am ]
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I've never seen a disordered wagon!!

But units don't undisorder, in the Nappy series, in disruption terrain. So unless you can get them out of the woods or orchards they stay this way.

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Author:  Andy Moss [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:46 am ]
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Some of the guns and wagons are in clear terrain. I've never experienced this phenomenon before, I've a feeling it's a dastardly French trick.

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army
Author:  D.S. Walter [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:48 am ]
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If they are in the open, and are army-level assets, they need to be within the brigade command range of the army commander to undisorder. (OK, they don't need to, but it helps.)

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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Author:  Bill Peters [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:58 pm ]
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Interesting case. Since supply wagons dont have morale how do they pass a morale test?


Bill Peters
Former NWC President, Club Founder, Prussian and Austrian Army Founder, Stefan Reuter's hunting buddy. HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram)

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Author:  Andy Moss [ Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:43 pm ]
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Bill. Indeed I know not. Something must happen though as one gun battery has reordered itself magically.

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army
Author:  D.S. Walter [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:05 am ]
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Well, batteries have a morale. The wagons are vexing though.

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie
Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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Author:  Andy Moss [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:50 am ]
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Some of the batteries are in villages so I can't even limber them up and move them out. I assume they stay unlimbered and disordered for the duration of the game. I've a feeling that maybe the supply wagons will too.
Oh well, I'll just have to beat Richy with the one stick then.[:)]

Generalissimo
Opolchenie Korpus
Russian Army
Author:  Bill Peters [ Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:50 am ]
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I tested this out using the Wagram and new game engine I have for the next release. When the batteries were disrupted in any terrain I wasnt getting a note: x out of y units recovered from disorder.

I am not done testing this out.

The wagons would never recover. This is a good technique for a designer to use when he wants a column to be in a confused state. Disorder a bunch of wagons.

Other than that I am not sure why the units you cite were like this.

I will be sure to avoid doing this for any of my scenarios where recovery is assumed.

It also helps before you save a scenario for production to do a D test. Press the D button on the toolbar in the Editor and look around the map.

Bill Peters
Former NWC President, Club Founder, Prussian and Austrian Army Founder, Stefan Reuter's hunting buddy. HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram)

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