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Author:	Le Tondu [ Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:24 pm ]
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[:)] Its getting closer. [:)] Somewhere down the discussion are some nice screenshots of part of the map that he is referring to below. http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ulti ... 1;t=000191 The Developer of <font color="orange"><b>Les Grognards</b></font id="orange"> posted this today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <font color="orange">"The map is 30 * 22.5 km, for Ratisbone Campaign. Today, there are several scales: 1 to 1 (for a real time) to 1 to 10 (6 seconds for 1 minute). 1/10 is a good scale to launch the battle. On the first fighting, LG changes the scale to 4/10 (15 seconds to 1 minute). Beta : I am working on the last tasks before beginning the final beta test. Several parts of engine have been tested 2 years ago, but all must checked again. -------------------- JMM Designer/Developer of HistWar"</font id="orange"> www.histwar.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Rick [:)] Colonel Rick Motko 1er Bataillon, 33Â° RÃ©giment d'Infanterie de Ligne 2eme Brigade, 11eme division IIIe corps, ArmÃ©e du Nord Vive l'Empereur!

Author:	Bill Peters [ Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:30 pm ]
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I got hit on German language when I put Campaign Eckmuhl, er, EckmÃ¼hl out. The town name is EckmÃ¼hl and not Eckmuhl. If you want to use Eggmuhl that is ok I guess. Yeah, I thought it was ticky tack too until five German Gretas attacked my person (they hailed from the town) and beat me senseless until I changed my game map. I now am armed with a whole set of German characters (no, not those kind of characters). Here are the ones I use: Ã¼ Ã¤ ÃŸ Ã¶ If someone spots one I missed let me know. Would like to keep a complete set around just in case those Gretas catch another error! Yup, ticky tack for sure BUT I am sure that is someone makes a note to JMM that he will fix it. Or maybe the French dont care about German language correctness? [;)] Bill Peters HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram) [url="http://www.fireandmelee.net"]Fire and Melee Wargame site[/url]

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:13 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bill Peters</i> <br />I got hit on German language when I put Campaign Eckmuhl, er, EckmÃ¼hl out. The town name is EckmÃ¼hl and not Eckmuhl. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Yes. "MÃ¼hle" is a mill. "Ecke" btw is a corner. On first glance, this would be a mill at a corner. [8D] <center> D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, MarÃ©chal d'Empire Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde </center>

Author:	Le Tondu [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:03 am ]
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More information from JMM: --------- "I hope you are wrong ; I think just 8 to 12 weeks to finish... but as Marcus the smiling leper said "When it is done" I know it's not a good answer, but I can't say another thing... BTW, I feel you are impatiently waiting for this game, and my wish is "Don't frustrate these wargamers with a 'like 1813' game" (comment ! only around 3 weeks ... 1 month to make the goods)" --------- As for the difference between a "Ã¼" and a "u". Sure let's delay the game even longer over something like that -NOT! Colonel Rick Motko 1er Bataillon, 33Â° RÃ©giment d'Infanterie de Ligne 2eme Brigade, 11eme division IIIe corps, ArmÃ©e du Nord Vive l'Empereur!

Author:	Bill Peters [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:45 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Le Tondu</i> <br />More information from JMM: --------- "I hope you are wrong ; I think just 8 to 12 weeks to finish... but as Marcus the smiling leper said "When it is done" I know it's not a good answer, but I can't say another thing... BTW, I feel you are impatiently waiting for this game, and my wish is "Don't frustrate these wargamers with a 'like 1813' game" (comment ! only around 3 weeks ... 1 month to make the goods)" --------- As for the difference between a "Ã¼" and a "u". Sure let's delay the game even longer over something like that -NOT! Colonel Rick Motko 1er Bataillon, 33Â° RÃ©giment d'Infanterie de Ligne 2eme Brigade, 11eme division IIIe corps, ArmÃ©e du Nord Vive l'Empereur! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Hehe! Just tell JMM to watch out for the fraus Rick! [:D] I added in the fix via an update. Alot of folks dont buy a game until the first patch comes out. Its just standard operating procedure with a game. So tell JMM to put out that first patch about one week after the game is released and the fraus will leave him alone! [:D] Budget these days wont allow for ANY new games including EiA by Matrix. (sigh) I will have to pass up on this one for now but hope that it is a weiner![:)] Bill Peters HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram) [url="http://www.fireandmelee.net"]Fire and Melee Wargame site[/url]

Author:	David Guegan [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:16 pm ]
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Talking of correcting spelling Bill, you should correct some of the names and titles in the French Army [:D]. To my knowledge the French Army had French titles, names, etc. Marshal should be MarÃ©chal Emperor should be Empereur Napoleon should be NapolÃ©on GD Claperade should be ClaparÃ¨de Supply Wagon should be Wagon de ravitaillement/Munitions Ft Art should be Artillerie Ã pied Hrs Art should be Artillerie Ã cheval 1st Sapper Co. should be 1Ã¨re Cie de Sapeurs Pontineer Co. should be Cie de Pontoniers 13 LÃ©gÃ©re should be 13Ã¨me LÃ©gÃ¨re, etc. From eckmuhl.oob, Campaign Eckmuhl [:o)][:D][8D][:o)][;)] <font color="green"> <b>GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division David GuÃ©gan Comte de Toulon, Duc de Nimes</b> Co 11eme division III Corps, AdN Co Division d'Infanterie de la Jeune Garde, Garde ImpÃ©riale http://home.earthlink.net/~davidguegan/</font id="green">

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:15 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidguegan</i> <br />Talking of correcting spelling Bill, you should correct some of the names and titles in the French Army [:D]. To my knowledge the French Army had French titles, names, etc. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> The same goes for the German army in France '40, of course ... "Army Group" should be "Heeresgruppe", "Jager" should be "JÃ¤ger", "Reserves" should be "Reserve", "Pioneer" should be "Pionier", etc., and the use of hyphens or combination in a single word is mandatory in German, so "Panzer-Division" or "Panzerdivision" but never "Panzer Division". [:0] Let's all learn something, shall we? [8D] <center> D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, MarÃ©chal d'Empire Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde </center>

Author:	Kosyanenko [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:36 pm ]
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Well with "i-shortened" instead of "Ã©", "d" instead of "Ã¤" and "soft sign" instead of "Ã¼" I really prefer just "e", "a" and "u" respectively[:I] <center></center> <center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku General-Mayor Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko commander of Little Russian grenadiers regiment</b></center>

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:33 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kosyanenko</i> <br />Well with "i-shortened" instead of "Ã©", "d" instead of "Ã¤" and "soft sign" instead of "Ã¼" I really prefer just "e", "a" and "u" respectively[:I] <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Ah ... but the point is that an "Ã¼" is something entirely different from an "u". It's pronounced completely differently and can change the meaning of the word. It's not as if the "PÃ¼nktchen" (the double dot) would just be an accent or something like that. If you want to avoid the special characters in German but still spell correctly, you can replace "ÃŸ" with "ss" "Ã¤" with "ae" "Ã¶" with "oe" "Ã¼" with "ue" [:)] So, "Eckmuehl" would be entirely correct and produce the correct pronounciation. "Eckmuhl" would not. <center> D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, MarÃ©chal d'Empire Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde </center>

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:41 pm ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Le Tondu</i> As for the difference between a "Ã¼" and a "u". Sure let's delay the game even longer over something like that -NOT! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Correct spelling is not just eye-candy, in my opinion. It's an indication that someone takes his product (book, game ...) seriously and wants the customers to take it seriously. If the first glance at the product reveals tons of spelling errors, it's likely that no second glance is ever taken. If the designer, author, etc. shies away from even the minor trouble of getting his spelling right so to produce a favorable first impression of his product, chances are that he has not been much more meticulous and thorough with the more complex contents of his product. Being careless with such an easy thing as correct spelling arouses the suspicion of being careless everywhere. My â‚¬ .02. [8)] <center> D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, MarÃ©chal d'Empire Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde </center>

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:21 am ]
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BTW this is something that I really appreciate about the work of the HPS Nappy game designers--the desire to get these little things right. [^]

Author:	David Guegan [ Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:09 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by D.S. Walter</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidguegan</i> <br />Talking of correcting spelling Bill, you should correct some of the names and titles in the French Army [:D]. To my knowledge the French Army had French titles, names, etc. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> The same goes for the German army in France '40, of course ... "Army Group" should be "Heeresgruppe", "Jager" should be "JÃ¤ger", "Reserves" should be "Reserve", "Pioneer" should be "Pionier", etc., and the use of hyphens or combination in a single word is mandatory in German, so "Panzer-Division" or "Panzerdivision" but never "Panzer Division". [:0] Let's all learn something, shall we? [8D] <center> D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, MarÃ©chal d'Empire Duc des Pyramides, Comte de Normandie Commandant la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3e Division Bavaroise[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'ArmÃ©e du Rhin Commandant la Brigade de Grenadiers de la Moyenne Garde </center> <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Sure... I didn't do the German oob in France 40, but I was in favor of the German terms, but was told that English speaking players would be desoriented. I have (in an alternative oob inplemented a long time ago may of the germans terms.... So if you want to see it in the regular game you will have to see Glenn [xx(][:D]. I guess my point has been missed. Why critisized a game for it's spelling (which by the way is correct in English) when 1)that game hasn't been releazed yet 2)you don't know anything about it. Unless, you are part of the beta team and in this case I would have to apologize. And last point, I don't see Les Grognards as a thread to the napoleonics game made by HPS. They are different. One is more micromanagment oriented (HPS) and the other is more orders oriented (Les Grognards). I am sure there is enough space for both games. <font color="green"> <b>GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division David GuÃ©gan Comte de Toulon, Duc de Nimes</b> Co 11eme division III Corps, AdN Co Division d'Infanterie de la Jeune Garde, Garde ImpÃ©riale http://home.earthlink.net/~davidguegan/</font id="green">

Author:	D.S. Walter [ Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:25 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidguegan</i> I didn't do the German oob in France 40, but I was in favor of the German terms, but was told that English speaking players would be desoriented. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> That's funny--French is OK, German isn't? [?]

Author:	David Guegan [ Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:27 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by D.S. Walter</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidguegan</i> I didn't do the German oob in France 40, but I was in favor of the German terms, but was told that English speaking players would be desoriented. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> That's funny--French is OK, German isn't? [?] <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Like I said, you have to see with Glenn for that. On the French oob for example QG wasn't accepted...[;)] <font color="green"> <b>GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division David GuÃ©gan Comte de Toulon, Duc de Nimes</b> Co 11eme division III Corps, AdN Co Division d'Infanterie de la Jeune Garde, Garde ImpÃ©riale http://home.earthlink.net/~davidguegan/</font id="green">

Author:	Le Tondu [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:16 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidguegan</i> <br /> And last point, I don't see Les Grognards as a thread to the napoleonics game made by HPS. They are different. One is more micromanagment oriented (HPS) and the other is more orders oriented (Les Grognards)..... <font color="green"> <b>GÃ©nÃ©ral de Division David GuÃ©gan Comte de Toulon, Duc de Nimes</b> Co 11eme division III Corps, AdN Co Division d'Infanterie de la Jeune Garde, Garde ImpÃ©riale http://home.earthlink.net/~davidguegan/</font id="green"> <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> David, In [orange]Les Grognards[/orange, you can micromanage every unit to your heart's content. I just don't see why you would ever want to. From the Army Commander's perspective, that was impossible. With [orange]Les Grognards[/orange, the army you command has a life of it's own and that seems entirely historical and realistic. Also, with the weight of micromanagement off of you shoulders, it should be more fun. You get to concentrate on what an Army Commander concentrated on and that seems way cool to me. [8D] Cheers, Rick Colonel Rick Motko 1er Bataillon, 33Â° RÃ©giment d'Infanterie de Ligne 2eme Brigade, 11eme division IIIe corps, ArmÃ©e du Nord Vive l'Empereur!

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