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DST in Blegium ?
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Author:  Tomate_Frit [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  DST in Blegium ?
Am several hours into a HPS Waterloo monster scenario and as of 9:00pm it is still daylight with full visibility.

Having spent the last few years with Eckmuhl and the 6:00pm dusk and 8:00pm nightfall and the resulting loss in visibility I was surprised to be able to continue my attack on the Prussian Hordes.

Are we to experience nightfall anytime soon ?

Have heard talk of "night" rules, does anyone have a agreed upon night rules ? Have never played with any before but would be interested to hear what others are doing during the overnight hours.

Regards,


Maréchal John Mitchell
Grande Duc de Rivoli et Comte de Bordeaux
Commandant Division Infanterie; La Veille Garde
105e Regiment d' Infantrie Ligne,
2e Brigade, 1er Division Infanterie,
I Corp, AdN
Author:  Andy Moss [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:28 pm ]
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Well I'm up to 11pm in that scenario and it's dusk. Completely screwed my strategy of retreating during the night. I've been surrounded and slaughtered.

Luitenant Generaal
2de Brigade
2de Nederlandsche Div
I Corps
Anglo Allied Army
Author:  Jim Owczarski [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:32 am ]
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I won't comment on the accuracy of the simulation day-dusk-night-wise, but will observe that, if you're playing the same one Lt. Gen. Moss and I are, that the parameter data states dusk is 21:30 and there's two hours of twilight.

As for rules, the good general again proved a kind tutor in explaining that some hereabouts get a mite peevish about wholesale nighttime attacking. I can understand why. Although the late onset of night has bollixed this a bit, we agreed:

a) Current fights could be completed...particularly a few "mop-up" surround-and-destroys.
b) Anyone attempting to sneak through enemy lines to rejoin his army is fair game.
c) Other than these, no new combats should be initiated during hours of night.

Just my own experience,

Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)

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Author:  D.S. Walter [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:32 am ]
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Eckmuhl is in April, Waterloo in June--that account for the difference. 18 June is just three days short of the summer solstice when days are longest ... in Northwest Europe it often doesn't get really dark at all in the nights around that date, which accounts for the long twilight. [:)]

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Author:  valere5 [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:57 am ]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by D.S. Walter</i>
<br />Eckmuhl is in April, Waterloo in June--that account for the difference. 18 June is just three days short of the summer solstice when days are longest ... in Northwest Europe it often doesn't get really dark at all in the nights around that date, which accounts for the long twilight. [:)]


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I agree with you.
At 10:00 pm at that time, I'm outdoor eating BBQ and drinking good wine and belgian beers and still seeing clear ... hum ...unless if I drunk too much alcohol [:p][:o)]

Being serious : 09:00 pm is still daylight with full visibility. 10:00 pm night is coming slowly.

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I Corps
Anglo-Allied Army
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Author:  Tomate_Frit [ Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:19 pm ]
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Seems bizarre, if I remember correctly:

09h00 - 21h45 daylight ?
22h00 dusk with 4, 3, then 2 Visibility
24h00 night
02h30 dawn 2 visibility(that is where we are now)

we had only about 2.5 hours of night turns.

Can someone explain the "history" in the way Waterloo turns are timed ?
Just does not seem right, regardless of the time of year.


Maréchal John Mitchell
Grande Duc de Rivoli et Comte de Bordeaux
Commandant Division Infanterie; La Veille Garde
105e Regiment d' Infantrie Ligne,
2e Brigade, 1er Division Infanterie,
I Corp, AdN
Author:  Bill Peters [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:42 am ]
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According to the website I referenced today the period of light for this area on this date is approx. 16.5 hours of daylight.

Here is what they gave me based on Antwerp Airport:

For Sun, 18 Jun 1961 MET (GMT+1)
Local time (above TZ):17:36
Midday at: 12:43
Length of day: 16:34

Civil Twilight Start: 03:39
Sunrise: 04:26

Sunset: 21:00
Civil Twilight End: 21:47

----end of data----

In talking with Dierk often the above times are a bit off due to their not being time zones. Folks used the apex of the sun as the midday point for noon, etc.

However, note that the civil twilight end is approx. 6 hours apart from the civil twilight start.

Thus the last turn of visibility past 1 hex should end with a 6 hour gap between it and when the visibility increases to say 2 hexes.

Bill Peters
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

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