Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

I am fully agree with Stephane and Guillaume.A second turn seems to me necessary.
However, it's up to you Jim and the Cabinet.By the way, I'm sure that you will not proceed to this second turn. The second turn is tipically french. We have two turns in our elections and only one in Great Britain and in America. As American and English are the majority of the players ...

Anyway congratulations to Bill for his first turn leading and may be for his president winning.

Regards

General de Division Lamézec
ADN2

Can we do a vote to know if there are a second turn [?][:D][}:)]
It's a joke of c[:o)]urse.

Regards

General de Division Lamézec
ADN2

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Glyn Hargreaves</i>
<br />Can we have a re-count ??[:D]

<b><i>Lieutenant G.Hargreaves</i></b>

<b>1st Battalion 95th Rifles</b>
<font color="green"><b>"The Grasshoppers"</b></font id="green">

<b>7th British Bgde.
Anglo-Allied Army </b>
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Glyn, we are not in Florida[:D][:D]

<font color="gold">Feldmarshall
Stefan Ritter von Reuter
Großfürst von Wahlstadt
CoA Armee des Niederrhein</font id="gold">

Congratulations to our new President
and specials thanks to all the candidates: "The cream of the cream´s club"

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Well done ! All my congratulations !!![:)]

<font color="orange">2d Lieutenant Valère Bernard
Bataillon de Ligne Nº 7
[url="http://home.planet.nl/~boe01171/HQ/1Brig.htm"]1e Brigade[/url]
[url="http://home.wanadoo.nl/g.vanuythoven/home.htm"]2e Nederlandsche Divisie[/url]
I Corps
Anglo-Allied Army
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Well done to all,Candidates.A good race you all put up,You are all very lucky i did not go into it my self,[:D]
But i had to give other members a chance[:D][;)]

<font color="red">Marechal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red"> Commandant
1ème Division de Cuirassiers,
1 Corps Res Cav,ADN.

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

Well
the NWC site is located in Switzerland (wargame.ch).
therefore, no french law, no floridian law, but only swiss law should apply !!!

If it is not the case, Bill would be (if not only a nice guy) only president of ... himself with the same level of authority than a "rollmops" could have.

I therefore stick with my first opinion, which is shared by the very honest Bill Peters, who himself recognized that :
" The last thing I want is contraversy over the election."

Therefor, a second turn is necessary.

Yours
Stephane
Austrian electoral control comission.

Austrian Army
6th husaren Blankenstein
finally figured out how to have the signature inserted in the post

Well, there are "winner takes it all" systems where the one with the most votes gets the seat, regardless of how much of those casting their vote he represents--I understand that's how the British (or is that English? as Scotland has a parliament?) House of Commons is elected--and there's systems that require a majority (i.e. over 50%) of those who actually cast their vote. (It's never those who are *eligible* to vote, Jim, or you would be right that there could never be a successful presidential election. Those who vote are supposed to represent those who don't.) In the latter case--which appears to be more common in present-day democracies--there needs to be a second ballot or coalitions must be formed. There are even systems that would allow candidates who don't seem to have a realistic chance to donate their votes to a candidate with a better chance.

This is a decision that should have been made *and announced* beforehand, of course. With four candidates it was to be expected that nobody would get over 50% of the votes in the first ballot. Whatever the cabinet decides *now*, in full knowledge of the result, is open for criticism.

Personally, like most who have posted here, I have some problems with an election where the winner represents only a third of those who voted. Had this been known beforehand, it is conceivable that some candidates had decided not to run, so not to spoil the chance of a clear decision. Take it to extremes and suppose we had 10 candidates, then one could have won by representing just 11% of the vote, and that seems to stretch the idea of "democracy" or let's say representative government a little, does it not?

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides
Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3ème Division[/url], VIème Corps Bavarois, L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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A runoff or are the results final?
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What's a runoff, Bill? [:0]

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D.S. "Green Horse" Walter, Maréchal d'Empire
Baron d'Empire, Duc des Pyramides
Commandant de la [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/3_VI_AdR_Home.htm"]3ème Division[/url], VIème Corps Bavarois, L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant [url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_Walter/NWC/EdM_start.htm"]L'Ecole de Mars[/url], L'Armée du Rhin
Commandant de la Brigade de Tirailleurs de la Jeune Garde
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Dierk - sorry I didnt see this earlier - a runoff occurs when you have the top two candidates of a previous election run against each other.

In Washington state this occured as the votes were far too close to give either of the candidates the outright victory. I think there was something like 400,000 votes for each candidate and the division between each was something like 100 votes! Yes, it was very close.

At this point the Cabinet has Jim's email and hopefully we will hear something official soon. I also sent one (and of course you were cc'd on it) to them last night. Its up to them at this point.

Like all of us candidates, I want to see the Rules changed to have a more definite meaning in this area and a couple of others as well. Little things need to be corrected too such as the links that do not work.

Oberst Wilhelm Peters
2nd Kuirassiers, Reserve Korps, Austrian Army
[url="http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/burr/Austrian%20Army/Bill_Peters.htm"]Officer Battle Dossier[/url]

Congratulations to Bill and Dierk!!! [:)] Well done [:D]
So when we will have a second round?

<b>GL Eugene Gulyaev
Leib-Gvardii Semenovskij Polk

27th Infantry Division
8th Infantry Corps
2nd Western Army
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stefan Reuter</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Glyn Hargreaves</i>
<br />Can we have a re-count ??[:D]

<b><i>Lieutenant G.Hargreaves</i></b>
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Glyn, we are not in Florida[:D][:D]

<font color="gold">Feldmarshall
Stefan Ritter von Reuter
Großfürst von Wahlstadt
CoA Armee des Niederrhein</font id="gold">
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Well it feels like it at the moment.[:p]

<b><i>Lieutenant G.Hargreaves</i></b>

<b>1st Battalion 95th Rifles</b>
<font color="green"><b>"The Grasshoppers"</b></font id="green">

<b>7th British Bgde.
Anglo-Allied Army </b>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jeka</i>
<br />Congratulations to Bill and Dierk!!! [:)] Well done [:D]
<u><b>So when we will have a second round?</b></u>

<b>GL Eugene Gulyaev

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That is THE question.

For the moment !!

Guillaume AYMONIER-AMELINE
Comte de Strasbourg
Duc de Ratisbonne

Maréchal de France

1er Rgt de Grenadiers à Cheval
VIEILLE GARDE

1ère Brig./ 3ème Div° Cavalerie Légère
IIIeme Corps d'Armée
AdN

Thank goodness there were no spads or spuds whatever they are called.[:D]

Kolonel Sellick Davies,
III Bataillon Nassau-Usingen,
2nd Bde,

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Sellick Davies</i>
<br />Thank goodness there were no spads or spuds whatever they are called.[:D]

Kolonel Sellick Davies,
III Bataillon Nassau-Usingen,
2nd Bde,


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?????

Monsieur le Marechal John Corbin
Chief of Staff
La Grande Armee

Sirs
Any modification about of club rules to presidential election proceedures it must be consider with effects to the future and it doesn`t apply to facts of the past or present. [:)]

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