Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Retired...retreated all the same...different words. Still beat by Militia!! [:D][:p]

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
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Yes well some believe first hand accounts and researched comment, then there are the "official" histories, both national and regimental and lastly there is opinion.

Which we all have in the first instance [;)].

Lt Col Mike Ellwood
Konig Regt
1 Bde, 22 Div
VII Saxon Corps, ADR

Monsieur all who call themslves great will fall in time but for that long moment they were great on the battle field beat by a David is you will !

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mike Ellwood</i>
<br />Yes well some believe first hand accounts and researched comment, then there are the "official" histories, both national and regimental and lastly there is opinion.

<b>Which we all have in the first instance [;)].</b>

Lt Col Mike Ellwood
Konig Regt
1 Bde, 22 Div
VII Saxon Corps, ADR
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Haha very true everyone does!! [:)] History is a fun animal. First hand accounts can be just as skewed as the rest and often worse. Sometimes it takes a good 300 years and a cross language study for the truth to come out. [:)] One of my history professors told us once, as long as you have the citations to back it up, you can say anything you want and be right!! [:)][:D]

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
Vorwärts Meine Kinder, Vorwärts!!

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Yes it seems the further from the event the more accurate assessment is achieved. The emotion and bias are removed and the facts gathered for the more complete and balanced view is then obtained.
Yes it was the Prussians who ultimately enabled the defeat of Napoleon but I must admit had Wellington not been there it would have made all the difference (like wise Davout at Auerstaedt).
Wellington and Blucher both blundered at the start but recovered well, where as Napoleon's plan and initial operational execution were masterful, his brilliance and execution failed as the hours ticked by.

But from whatever angle, nation or level you look at it - <b><font color="blue">My God it was a near run thing!!</font id="blue"></b>

Salute[:)]

Lt Col Mike Ellwood
Konig Regt
1 Bde, 22 Div
VII Saxon Corps, ADR

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mike Ellwood</i>
<br />Yes it seems the further from the event the more accurate assessment is achieved. The emotion and bias are removed and the facts gathered for the more complete and balanced view is then obtained.
Yes it was the Prussians who ultimately enabled the defeat of Napoleon but I must admit had Wellington not been there it would have made all the difference (like wise Davout at Auerstaedt).
Wellington and Blucher both blundered at the start but recovered well, where as Napoleon's plan and initial operational execution were masterful, his brilliance and execution failed as the hours ticked by.

But from whatever angle, nation or level you look at it - <b><font color="blue">My God it was a near run thing!!</font id="blue"></b>

Salute[:)]

Lt Col Mike Ellwood
Konig Regt
1 Bde, 22 Div
VII Saxon Corps, ADR
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Oh God I totally agree. No way in hell could Prussia have stood without the Anglo's. I never refuted that, we would have been spanked to all oblivion. [:p] But 1813-15 shows what was needed many years back. A complete resolve to all the Allies to work together. That is one of the main reasons Napoleon was around so long, he was masterful at playing one side off another, but he never had the full weight of all of them on him at once until 1813-15.

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
Vorwärts Meine Kinder, Vorwärts!!

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That just shows one on one. he was the greatest.

<font color="red">Maréchal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
La Commandeur, II Corps
ADN

Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dean beecham</i>
<br />That just shows one on one. he was the greatest.

<font color="red">Maréchal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
La Commandeur, II Corps
ADN

Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

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Naw...just lucky! [:p][B)][:0][}:)]

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
Vorwärts Meine Kinder, Vorwärts!!

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Scott.

would that not make you the best,[:D][:D][;)]

<font color="red">Maréchal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
La Commandeur, II Corps
ADN

Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dean beecham</i>
<br />Scott.

would that not make you the best,[:D][:D][;)]

<font color="red">Maréchal</font id="red">
<font color="red">BEECHAM</font id="red">
La Commandeur, II Corps
ADN

Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde

"Toujours féroce,jamais étourdi"

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Naw Dean, that's called dumb luck!! [:p][}:)][:D][B)][:0]

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
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Napoleon is histories greatest soldier IMHO
He fought more battles and more campaigns than any other commander in history and even by 1815 he was still the master.

I have dedicated my life to a study of his methods and I would argue no one approached his intuitive almost super human capabilities.

Can you tell I am a Napoleonite! [:D]




General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
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Your right of course, it took the combined political,economic and military might of all the Monachist states to quell him, twice!

Truely he was a man with a range of skills, energy, intelligence, charisma, foresight and yes luck (however luck is often the residue of design!)like no other in history less maybe Alexander.

On a slightly different tac, although ultimately he must take the blame, I would say on the 18 June 1815 Napoleon's subordinates, troops and luck had been exhuasted and together failed him completely.

But still, so nearly a stunning campaign and battle victory!

He was more than just a great commander he was an Age.

Lt Col Mike Ellwood
Konig Regt
1 Bde, 22 Div
VII Saxon Corps, ADR

Monsieur’s greetings from Gator land and de Gulf de Mexico, I have to say that if the men that he trained that were in the Allied Armee if they would have came back to the colors it would have been a great victory, ex – Guard commanders were beating him in the Allied ranks train men that fought for France were now fighting for a new master! Freedom defeated him nothing else ma ami. Some homme follow blood I follow the Revolution,he would have been nothing if it was not for that! Swinye-toi [:D][8D]

Col de Art 6/3 II Corps AN Marbot CS

Believe it or not I am quite the Nappy fan myself. I love the whole period and everyone in it. As the French CiC at the INWC, I live a dual personality life between there and here! [:D] It often leaves me sleepless at night...oh wait that is the moonshine Bill Peters sends me...[:p]

But seriously...I trump him up in our forum over there and pounce on the Allies! I enjoy being on both sides....

BTW Mike...you haven't mustered there in a while! [:D] Drop me an email... eric2900@aol.com We've got two Tourney's ready to launch if you are interested....

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General der Infanterie Scott Prinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Allenstein-Dennewitz
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
Vorwärts Meine Kinder, Vorwärts!!

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