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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:17 am 
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Guys - we wont see an official update to Austerlitz until January but here are some files that I updated based on feedback or my own findings.

You are welcome to download them and use them in the game. None of the units, ammo levels, whatever, were changed.

Here is the link:

http://myweb.cableone.net/williampeters/cpa/cpa1.zip

All files go in the main game directory.

The Weapons.dat file needed some updating to reflect the correct weapons type.

Anyway, if I find something else that I think should be added I will let you know. It would have to be a "show-stopper" basically to warrant anything else at this point.

These files will be in the official update of course.

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Many thanks for your hard work Bill!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:58 pm 
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Yes, check it again as I added in a set of OB files. Same link as in this thread, just a larger zip file.

Alexander had been rated 7 for Leadership and I found out that this will not work - it could cause the game to crash.

I never tried to rally a unit with Alexander but I updated the OB files anyway so that players wouldn't have an issue with it.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:11 pm 
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Bill,

Thanks for the info! Hope you will take the following as a constructive criticism. Didn't get the game yet, so based only on the OB files present. Some smallish remarks here and the main issue to be described in a separate thread.

1. Russian cavalry regiments were not numbered. The numbers you placed are completely arbitrary and have no connections with reality.

2. Russian army companies consisted of 12 guns each. Light and horse had 8 6lb guns and 4 1/4 pud (10 lb) licornes. Heavy companies had 4 medium proportion 12 lb guns, 4 light proportion 12 lb guns and 4 1/2 pud (20 lb) licornes. In OBs you've created

a. some of the Russian companies have 8 (4 guns + 4 licornes) and some 12 (8 guns and 4 licornes) pieces. It is not correct.

b. Also the heavy companies appear to have 4 6 lb in their light sections which is very strange. The key word "appears" - not sure since I didn't see the engine.

c. The licornes are all the same in both light and heavy sections, which is completely false.

d. The guns are not indicated to belong to some specific company which would be nice. For the French it is done.

e. The arty formations for Russians and Austrians never have a commander, while almost always French have.

d and e are actually eyecandy, while a-c do affect the game greately.

3. Again as in CPE Russian Grenadiers regiments do not receive any morale bonus for their elite status. Austrian grenadier batallions have quality of B, French grenadiers in Oudinot div have quality of A, Russian grenadiers in muskateers regiments have quality of B, but the fusilier batallions of grenadiers regiments have quality of C, while grenadiers - B. To repeat - the units were elite. Usually they had only a few recruits of the last draft and often they didn't have them at all. They ought to be ranked better.

4. Some (for example Boutyrsk rgt/ III colomn) of Russian infantry batallions have 670-700 men in them. Very strange since under the regulation the complete strength was established to 612 rank and file plus officers. Not more 640 anyway. At the same time batallions in the same brigade are really understrength (Galitz rgt).

5. Very strange to see Russian dragoons have quality of C, while Austrians have B.

a. The St. Peterbourg regt. They were one of the best units in the whole army. The only dragoons regiment in the world to have captured 4 French colors during the Napoleonic wars. One of them was in 1805, two in 1807 and one in 1812.

b. Chernigov regiment was awarded with Georgian colors with motto "Five against Thirty" for Hollabrunn. The 84th ligne with motto "Un contre dix" did receive a morale bonus in Campaign Eckmuhl/Wagram. Why is this not the case?

c. Same for Pavlovgrad Hussars. They were given colors as a special distinction (other light cavalry regiments didn't have them) for the same deed.

You wrote that you decreased the quality of the units that performed poorly. Why not to increase the quality of those who distinguished themselves? Why put them below those who didn't achieve such an honor?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:56 am 
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Anton:

Numbering of Cav: Bowden does this. I used his numbering and he must have had good reason to use it. Goetz did not use a numbering system but I do not plan on changing this. I contacted Mr. Bowden about it this is what he had to say:

"In the 1970s and 1980s when I was gathering documents for the Austerlitz book, the way I got Russian documents was through a very long and tedious process working with the military attache at the Soviet Embassy in Washington DC. I recall that it took over 6 years to complete the process. All my docs came via that pipeline and was replicated in the Austerlitz book as it was presented to me."

So Anton: the information he used were from Russian sources!

But its not a huge issue. If you dont like it, copy the OBs and the scenarios, rename them, change the OB name in the scenario and then change whatever you like about the OBs.

Grenadiers: Bowden considered them elites as well but here I differ with him: there was one grenadier bn. per Musketeer regiment and when combined together with other grenadiers they were a good unit but not particularly noteworthy. Their musketeer counterparts often performed just as well. The Russian grenader REGIMENTS (named) had two fusilier bns. and one grenadier bn. They were not as good as the French elites. They were not as flexible nor at Austerlitz did they perform particularly well either. You will note that I gave the Pavlov grenadiers a better rating than the rest. But by and large the Russian grenadier was in name only. Yes, better soldiers but I disagree with Bowden. They were not elite. I only rate the Guards as elite and then they were not as good as the French Old Guard for instance.

Dragoon: I quote Bowden:

"the dragoons were officered by men of lower class" they were a second class cavalry unit when compared to the average dragoon of Europe. There is no way I am going to rate them as good as the Austrians!

"Possessing smaller, weaker animals ..." (than the cuirassiers)

They were not up to the standards of the European dragoons and certainly not the British dragoons! Definitely not as good as a Prussian dragoon of this period.

The French cavalry suffered from a lack of good horses as well but yet seemed to hold their own very well against your Russians.

I will consider making an exception to this for the St. Petersburg DR as you mention they were valorous. But frankly speaking, the rest of them were not up to the standards of the rest of the Europeans.

Artillery: I went by my sources. I recently went over the composition of a Russian battery but in the case of 1805 I know that guns were lost along the way from the Danube valley to Austerlitz. Thus what was once a 12 gun battery was now only 8-10 guns. The mud made movement for artillery in particular very difficult.

Paco may be able to chime in with some comments as well as he and I poured over the OBs together. He was absolutely invaluable when it came to spotting mistakes I had made in the OBs.

Changes I will make: morale, names, weapon type.

Changes I will not make: strengths, composition of batteries (such as breaking them down into different sized companies)

I simply would not have the time to go back and give all of the Russians a company number. You will note I didnt do this with the Austrians either yet they had a distinct battery number too!

Finally, I wont overly argue my reasons why I chose to rate a unit. Too much was put into this game to go back and change it all again (as I have done in the past). None of us will ever agree on the ratings. I think that pretty much sums up my feelings on the topic. Its just not worth raising the blood pressure over ...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:18 am 
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Bill I agree with your reasoning. Also the quality rating of the units is for me not just about their morale or fanatacism it is about there: low level command, training, state of supply, equipment, tactical flexibility and organisation.

Those ratings sound right to me as for example the French inf at Austerlitz were the best in Europe at the time.



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