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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:48 pm 
Looking back over this post to see if I did indeed miss anything, I think I may also have a misunderstanding of what "Inactive Status" in this club means. I thought it meant being assigned to the Reserves and not to a particular active unit which would also entail a deactivated DoR account. I did not think it meant a loss of forum privaleges as I am sure that I have seen officers who were listed as "Inactive" post in our forums. Al Amos springs readily to mind. I did not think that making an officer "Inactive" was the same thing as revoking his membership in the club and placing him "out of communication".

Was I just wrong about this? I am positive that I saw Al Amos post to the forum while on Inactive Status and am pretty certain others have done so as well. The reason I remember it is that their forum signatures were lacking their unit affiliations. As such, I asked them to include thier unit information and was told that they were "Inactive" and had no units to list.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:11 pm 
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The rules from http://users.telenet.be/fsg/NWC/Rules.html are very vague and simple giving a lot of space for interpretation for each army.

I like the way it is right now for the French Army and I don't think that all armies need to do the same thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:05 pm 
David, I don't see any reference in the Club Rules as to the handling of 'Inactive' officers. What is the specific number of the section at which you are looking?

You say you like the way it is now for the French Army, and that you don't want anything to change, but my question really was what is it now for the French Army, and all other armies in our club for that matter?

David, do you actually know what the current policy of LGA is pertaining to 'Inactive' officers? I have to say that I honestly do not.

Don't get this confused with any discussion of what constitutes 'Active' versus 'Inactive'. That is something totally different. My question here is purely administrative in nature.

I also think that I am probably going to disagree with you here as well. As a club, I think the criteria pertaining to the handling of all 'Inactive' officers should be exactly the same for all armies. The criteria for both 'Active' and 'Inactive' officers is most definitely a Club criteria, not an individual Army criteria, as these are actually defined by the Club Rules.

The Club Rules are badly in need of a good update. It is obvious that they have not been updated for quite some time. At a glance, I see numerous errors, mostly small stuff, but things that really should be corrected and updated to agree with our current method of operation.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:14 pm 
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Let's not get tied up rules. The club is here for the enjoyment of its members. A club structure is important but only so far as it promotes the enjoyment of the members. IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:15 pm 
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Mark,

I believe in self-governance for each army and I believe that each army should have its own flavor and way of working otherwise we wouldn't need different armies. We would be a club with members. I have been in these clubs and I have to say that I prefer this one. But of course, it's only my opinion.

And maybe the club needs some update for the rules to reflect what is going on right now. Maybe maybe not... But to be sure there is a rule about it in our club. It starts with the cabinet and end with the members of the club voting. :)

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Section 7.0 Revision to Club Rules

Revisions to NWC Club rules must first be approved by a simple majority of the Cabinet, then by a simple majority of club members voting. Club-wide votes are to be organized by the Cabinet, but must allow at least two weeks for votes to be received


but as Sir Muddy wrote:

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Let's not get tied up rules. The club is here for the enjoyment of its members. A club structure is important but only so far as it promotes the enjoyment of the members. IMHO.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:39 am 
David, my friend, my buddy, my pal.....mon ami! I very well know how Club Rules are changed, but we are not talking about a Club Rule here. What we are talking about an Administrative Practice that is currently being performed on a very, regular basis. As the President of this club, I at least need to know what we are actually doing. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You are defending a position, and you don't know what we are actually doing either. :? :? :?

What the.....????? :shock: :shock: :shock:

And regarding the Club Rules, I am not talking about effectively changing anything as far as operations at this time. I am talking about correcting such statements that say.....the only sanctioned club tournaments are this, that, and the other......which specifically excludes the SON Tournament that we are currently running, and have been for two years now. The rule that says every member must always have at least one game underway at all times probably does need to go though as, if we ever enforce it, a full two thirds of the members in our club will be remanded to the Inactive Reserves. There are all kinds of minor editing things that need to be done. The rules are badly in need of an update. It is just a fact that they, like so many of our clubs websites in the past, have simply been neglected for quite some time. I am talking about an update. You are, I think, talking more about what I would call an Overhaul. Since I am going to be intimately involved in the process, and very likely the one to do the actual work, I can tell you right now in absolute honesty.....I am not interested in plowing into the middle of a major Club Rules Overhaul and all of the infinite emails, bickering, cussing, fuming, and fights that would necessarily accompany such an act. I have far too much other work to do for the benefit of this club that I really believe would be a more productive use of my limited time. My friend, you are far overestimating my willingness and burning desire to experience excruciating levels of pain and frustration. :( :( :(

You make it sound like I am a Socialist. I am an American, David. I assure you that I am a Capitalist to the very core. The idiot we relected for a President is not my fault. Of course, our other choice sucked in a lot of ways also. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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David, my friend, my buddy, my pal.....mon ami! I very well know how Club Rules are changed, but we are not talking about a Club Rule here. What we are talking about an Administrative Practice that is currently being performed on a very, regular basis. As the President of this club, I at least need to know what we are actually doing. :roll: :roll: :roll:

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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You are defending a position, and you don't know what we are actually doing either. :? :? :?

What the.....????? :shock: :shock: :shock:


I know what we do in the French army regarding the inactive officers (for the French army the one who don't reply to the monthly muster).

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The rule that says every member must always have at least one game underway at all times probably does need to go though as, if we ever enforce it, a full two thirds of the members in our club will be remanded to the Inactive Reserves.


Then the only ting I can see is about the duty of an officer is:
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3.1.6 - Regimental Commanders

Reports to the BC on a regular basis.


And that is what we (The French) do. It was decided a long time ago that "a regular basis" was once a month. :mrgreen:

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There are all kinds of minor editing things that need to be done. The rules are badly in need of an update. It is just a fact that they, like so many of our clubs websites in the past, have simply been neglected for quite some time. I am talking about an update.

An update would certainly be a good idea. I wasn't sure what you wanted to change, it looked like you wanted to give each army the same rules.

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You make it sound like I am a Socialist. I am an American, David. I assure you that I am a Capitalist to the very core. The idiot we relected for a President is not my fault. Of course, our other choice sucked in a lot of ways also. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Socialism and capitalism are just 2 flavors of the same dish: plutocracy... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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