Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

I have one complaint at this time with the decisions making of the Cabinet which is Todd and Roy.

John Corbin who resigned from the Club want to rejoin. He sent me an email. I said I will check with Todd. Todd said he will not let him back in and that a future Cabinet will decide. I subsequently saw a join form from John. Yes I also handle the join forms for the club,

Wait a minute he resigned he was not dismissed by the Cabinet the Cabinet did not kick him out. There appears to be no rule that requires the Cabinet to screen membership requests. That Todd is refusing him back is contrary to the rules of the club.

Again we are in situation where the Rulers/Cabinet are making personal decisions beyond their mandate.

I sent them a 2nd email saying he should be allowed in. That it was not their decision. I mentioned that there would be pressure, generally speaking, on them and that it would not be good.

They took this as that I was giving them an order and was threatening them.
What kind of response is that. I was also threatened that they would tell the membership and post what I was doing. Saying that I was ordering and threatening them. I tend to be blunt. So telling them that they are making a mistake is grounds for them to start proceeding against me by posting and threatening me.

Then they accused me of not helping with the Hidden member issue. An email was sent to me today at 10:35. What I am supposed to do drop everything and do what they ask. They allude in a post that I am not helping in one of their forum post. I already mentioned to you the membership about the work I had to do with the forum header.

This is the kind of leadership we currently have at the NWC. At the very least I am quite concerned.

As I was looking at the hidden issue and it is related to permissions I noticed that Todd and Roy had high admin rights beyond what was needed in their Cabinet role or knowledge of the Forum procedures. I can only assume that Mark gave them these rights. I had no knowledge.

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General en Chef Pierre D.
La Grande Armee
25ème Régiment de Dragons,
Détachement de la 3ème Corps d'Armée,
3ème Corps d'Armée

Hi fellow friends club members

Now I can not rest.
I could not see any point pursuing why the half of the elected government of the club left ,whatever if and why they choose to create a new club and why it had to be done in the shadow of the night and like many here mention while still looking the members here in the face and even going for a elected posts here.
This club is still free from people leaving and we can not stop the joining other clubs or creating new ons.
What good will also come out of it ,no good I thought and there has been enough quarrels here because of small things so this could really shake the club.
Also what should we do regarding results of a "investigation" and how should that be handled ??
Are we to ban them from leaving ,are we to ban them from forming a new club ,are we to ban them from surfing the internet ??
They are gone and how cheated members feel there is nothing to do about it.
I would also ask we take no action against the ones who join the other club ,nothing here requires people to play only here.
I'm a member of this one NWC and ACWCC & CCC & and probably few others I have only played here and at ACWCC until now but so what.

I'm against a no confident vote but I find all questions in this thread valid.
It would be nice to get a statement from Todd & Roy if they did not know anything of the plots of the other half of the elected body of the club.

Also Not to allow John Corbin in again is a thing I feel extremely unhappy about ,and why on earth.
This was a club where all voices where to be heard ,the new club the former members here started may not but until now we where.
Also David Guegan was forced out as to ill blood between him and commander Al Kling why should it not be valid that he is allowed back in now ??
A much active member of the ACWCC Cristian Hecht was forced out as to be someone not actually him I could not understand why could he not be considered back.
If Chuck Jensen & Mr. Peluso would want back in would we not welcome that and what if Al Kling & Mark Jones would want back should they be kicked out?

For me the club should be as free as possible and members as different as possible and the club should be for different views and opinions.
That is why we have open minded club and election some clubs prefer dictatorship ,in my opinion we don't.

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Général de Division Einar Jon Masson

Salute!

As there have been a number of posts made in this thread ( and possibly others) in relation to the return of certain individuals to the club, I have moved the Cabinet decision called Important Announcement to the Membership of the NWC from the War Room where it has been for some time now, to the top of this forum, so that any who wish to clarify themselves of the essence of much of these latest discussions can do so, more easily.

I repeat, this has been done as the issues involved in this Announcement have been raised here, and it is evident that the general membership (or some of them) desire it to be so.

Pierre has made a post giving you his PoV of ongoing discussions that he has had with both Roy Purcell and I...

I will be responding to what he has said in a very short time, as my version of these discussions is far different from how he relates them.

As always, the reader will decide for themselves.

Regards,

Salute!

Here is a reply to comments/questions from Einar Jon Masson:

Also what should we do regarding results of a "investigation" and how should that be handled ??

I'm not exactly sure what is being referenced here, I will offer a reply upon clarification.

Also Not to allow John Corbin in again is a thing I feel extremely unhappy about ,and why on earth.

The reason for this is to be found at the top of the forum in the thread Important Announcement for the Membership of the NWC.

A much active member of the ACWCC Cristian Hecht was forced out as to be someone not actually him I could not understand why could he not be considered back.

Christian was found to have intentionally try to mislead and enflame the membership with a mass email to the club at large.

He continued to make statements in a club forum that perpetuated this activity.

There is a record of his posts in threads that were found by the Cabinet to be 'disturbing' (to phrase it most politely), as well personal emails sent to various members.

If Chuck Jensen & Mr. Peluso would want back in would we not welcome that and what if Al Kling & Mark Jones would want back should they be kicked out?

I know of no reason at this time based on any Cabinet decisions relating to their memberships why either Mr Jensen or Mr Palomo could not return should they so desire.

The same would apply at this time to both Mark Jones and Al Kling.

For me the club should be as free as possible and members as different as possible and the club should be for different views and opinions.

I could not agree more with you Einar.

But, there is a stark separation between dialogue between members with different opinions on whatever subject you wish to choose as a reference, and that of an unwillingness to accept the policy decisions of the Cabinet and the membership votes - that result in individuals of their own free will undertaking every effort to subvert the governing process of this club, including but not limited to trying to overthrow the elected leaders, and cause such 'danger' to the welfare of this club that they achieve their own desired ends.

I hope that this helps you understand some of what you have asked here, and please feel free to continue the dialogue.

Regards,

Hi Todd ,club members

I did read through few of the mails here and the word "Understanding & read through the old mails
in correct row of time who said what at witch time" I did think of as a kind of investigation and I started
thinking "Great will there now by trials and even more member could even go out and then what" and I
can simply not see the point ,and why not just to move on from period we where in and to peace.
And how should investigation be handled and by who and to what end ,the members wanting to go already gone.
By posting here I may be doing more bad than good ,and that is a thing I have to live with and most of
you may feel I should just have turned to private posting ,they have worked well for me in communication
with Todd in the past and I apologies if you the members here are offended by my mailing here.
I also have no problem quitting the club if considered to be attempting to ruining the club.
Even though I love you all here ;o)

I clearly have not read through the official Announcement clearly enough as now I can see in it JohnC who I do
expect is the former France commander John Corbin ,I did newer think of him as someone attacking the club and
should there not be official list over witch members have been expelled ,not for taunting but have things clarified.

My believing was also that David Guegan quit do to war of words between him and Al Kling.
I also did believe that Cristian Heicht and Scott Ludwig where expelled for being the same person who they clearly are not.

By referring to C Jensen ,Mr. Peluso (Pierres co founder of the club as I remember) ,A Kling and M Jones I was simply asking
if John Corbin is not allowed back as the club not wanting the former leaders of it back.
Paco Palumbo started like M jones and A Kling his own club ,most members here would have welcomed him back in the past.

I think all people who want to join the other club should be welcomed to do so as they wish.
The other club is competing with us for activity and members and time but to fear that will get us nowhere.

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Général de Division Einar Jon Masson

"So I think we should move forward, if anyone wants my personal opinion they can ask but for now we should let past arguments stay in the past. Anyone who wants dual membership or wants to leave should do whatever they want. To make anything more of it is to waste our own time, because we cannot change the past, we cannot know the opinions of those who are not here to share them, etc, etc. I do not care what Todd and Roy knew when etc., as long as they do the work in this club that we elected them to do. I have had my disagreements (mostly in public, on the boards) with Todd in the past, but he and I are working together with the rest of the Coalition team right now and that is all I care about."

Bravo Jim! Bravissimo!!

The Russian Corps salute you from all of our barrels.

Gentlemen, lets better think about how to keep our membership, and may be even restore it.
That is a question! The really vital one for our future as a social club.

Chest' imeyu!

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General-Feldmarshal Prince Vladimir N. Repnin
Imperial Russian Corps Commander
Prince Braine-Le Comte & The Adjutant-General of His Imperial Majesty
Chevalier Guards Regiment

Your Excellency, I see no question here. The main function of the Club is to provide its members with gaming opponents. The sooner we come back to proper gaming the better. Taking into account our recent history the sooner we have a large Club-wide tournament the healthier it will be here.

A general became an Emperor. And Head quarters turned into a Court. We were roleplaying all its pretty features - intrigues, elections, etc. for far too long. The people here deserve better entertainment than musters and elections.

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Salute!



I for one have always preferred to watch Game of Thrones on the TV (or reading the books).

Regards,

indeed ,lets just game on ;o)

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Général de Division Einar Jon Masson