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 Post subject: Re: The Good and the Bad
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:20 pm 
The link to the SON Tournament information is located in the lower, left on the NWC Homepage. It is a button labeled "Struggle of Nations Tournaments", but I can make this even easier for you.... :P :P :P

http://www.acwgc.org/NWC/SON/2012/

(Pssst. The blue text, Warren. Click the blue text. Luke, use the Force!) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Now I just gotta figure out which one of the other three of your statements does not apply... :shock: :shock: :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: The Good and the Bad
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:23 pm 
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Where are the new games for 1813???? do we have ammo????


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:31 pm 
Cliff, all of the new BTE files were sent out yesterday. Celamanka must still have the one you need. Yes, artillery ammunition was added to the French side. Four rounds is plenty, right. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

You are aware that a French General designed the scenario, and also that another French General independently checked it, aren't you? :wink: :wink: :wink:

I just wanted to make sure we were all clear on that point before anyone starts a bogus cry of 'Hanoverian Sabotage'. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:56 pm 
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Not all the LGA are gentleman some are like me Vandamme Jr. Nap said if I had two I hang one and award the other! :lol: :lol: 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:29 am 
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I will Readily admit to being one of the first to jump sideways over the SS comment. It was a matter of the Army I represent in the club and the obvious historical referance attached to the SS. I have got to know Cliff a little better and once one understands what he is saying ( Sorry Cliff there are times when its difficult at least for me to sort out what your saying rite away ) one finds a straight forward individual that speaks his mind,to some thats not particularly popular to me its a trait I prefer.

Unless Cliff refused the added responsabilties that come with a promotion to the rank of General within the club as stated in the club rules ,somebody needs to edit section 4.2 to reflect that promotions to all ranks above colonel in the French army are bye apointment or something to that affect. New members joining the club are going to expect promotions based on those rules as stated,Vp's and the willingness to accept the administrative responsabilities that come with the ranks. If he refused to accept those resopnsabilities then this is a mute point. I post this because in my opinion this very well could reflect on all the clubs armies.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:37 am 
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In fact it's already there:

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4.2 - Special notes on Ranks

Promotions to the General officer ranks in any army requires the officer to accept extra administrative duties within the army.

The French rank of Marechal is now an appointed rank by order of the French CinC

French General officer Promotions are awarded only to those who assume a command position within the Grande Armee along with the appropriate administrative duties.

The Russian title of Generalissimos would only be awarded as a special honor (in addition to the points) and there could only be one standing Generalissimos in the Russian Army at any time.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:22 am 
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Nope !!!!!!! There is nothing there that states we will decide when and IF ( mostly IF )you get that command position. New members are still going to expect promotion within club guide lines for VPs and the acceptance of responsabilties that come with the rank. Now I am not picking on French army internal politics here I am saying the club rules need to be updated to reflect current French army policies in regards to promotion above Colonel in a clear fashion as it has obviously come as a suprise to some. Bye rites if the French army is suspect in this area then all the clubs armies stand to be viewed that way,thats all I am saying.

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Edit: A simple addition like " When command positions become available" would probibly get the job done.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:44 am 
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I think if you have the points you should get the rank much like how the ACWGC does it. I think there would be much less sturm und drang in the forums if this policy were adopted. Cliff has certainly put the effort in and is very obviously passionate about the club. I am sure there is some sort of accomodation that could be made. Let's face it, little boys want to grow up to be generals not colonels and i don't think it's healthy for the club to put artificial ceilings in place, if you have the points you get the rank is a very simple rule.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:55 am 
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The ACWGC has a similar system:

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4.1 Military Ranks and Requirements. Rank is determined by accumulated Officer Battle Dossier (‘OBD’) points and club service (as approved by the Cabinet).
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f) Lieutenant Colonel - 75 points (no Cabinet approval required).
g) Colonel - 150 points (no Cabinet approval required).
h) Brigadier General - 300 points (Cabinet approval required).
i) Major General - 450 points and Division Command or higher (Cabinet approval required).
j)Lieutenant General - 600 points and Corps Commandor Chief of Staff to CoA or Chief of Staff to AC or TC or higher (Cabinet approval required).
k) General - 800 points and Army Command or Academy or War College Commandant or higher (Cabinet approval required).

source http://www.wargame.ch/wc/acw/ACWGCRules.html#OBD

Now, if you want a revision of the club system you may want to consider the procedure from section 7 of the club:
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Section 7.0 Revision to Club Rules

Revisions to NWC Club rules must first be approved by a simple majority of the Cabinet, then by a simple majority of club members voting. Club-wide votes are to be organized by the Cabinet, but must allow at least two weeks for votes to be received


You should talk to the Cabinet first http://www.acwgc.org/NWC/Webpages/Cabinet/cabinet.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:19 am 
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Likes- the multinational group here
-ease of finding opponents of different styles and skill levels that line up with mine
-I do not care about rank and win-loss (well, I try to win but am rather used to losing-thanks Colin and Tomasz)
-good group of people


Dislikes
-crankiness at times in the tavern
-I will admit that I find the in character ramblings of Mark and others difficult to follow and will skip those posts. I hope I do not miss anything important!
-I would whine about the laid back nature of the Austrian Army but since I cannot take on any responsibility, I will not, because I am part of the problem.
-the polarized discussion of tactics-it takes place in the Coalition and French taverns. Since the Coalition has almost nobody participating in these, I miss out on a lot and am tempted to join the French...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:35 am 
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I joined the club in 2000 it is now 2012 now they post it does that sound strange to anyone or am I just that dumb!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Not once since I been in this club has anyone in the Gran Armee offer me or sent me a e-mail about any of my promotion from sus to Col not once was I in any of their schools or asked to go. Not once has any one in the French Armee offered me a post to do Adm work :mrgreen: That a bunch of hog wash my honorable General is talking about the command has thrown it all on him :oops: I was in the I Corps then the II. :oops: :cry: And not one was I told what he is saying till I came to his command this year :cry: :? . I will make know the e-mail's I got from the high command if I have to. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:06 pm 
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Well i don't know all the by rules of the clubs but in the ACWGC there is alot of generals who don't command. So they must obviously have a lax rule regarding who becomes a general based upon points.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:13 pm 
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In the ACWGC, I was a division commander and kept my rank when I retired from the post...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:16 pm 
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I should add on the good side of the ledger that the club format makes it easier to ask questions about game mechanics and opponents (specifically to see what style of play they like) than some other places on the web. I place a lot of value on this later point, because you can have a conversation about optional rules, house rules, etc...

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