Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Plus the issues of contention were fruitless in my opinion, they were rested in formality of how the armies managed their records....I feel like many of the discussions were "This is my idea of how the armies should be run"....."well this isn't how we do it and we won't change after 10,000 years of doing it this way"....

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

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Ah but you are not privy to all the backroom emails that have gone around for quite a while, the exchange of less than gentleman words between multiple parties....

You are correct about that, but that is all part of how conflicts are resolved and always will be. We do not live in the world of Star Trek where humans all get along, Oh wait a minute they really didn't either, just always talked like they did.

Bottom line that is why the founders of this little organization set it up with 5 cabinet members, so issues could be settled with a vote. It seems to have worked in the past and in my estimation whether I agreed with the out come or not, it was settled. That I accept.

I think most members are ready to move on and get back to having fun... So I think I will follow their example and do the same.

I wish everyone a great week and as my 89 year old daddy says: "I walk up this morning and I am still breathing, so it must be a good day"

Battle On... Oh, one more thing: "Vive l'Empereur"

Fine, whatever....I'm not here to argue with anyone....like I said in my other post, I was asked to post my idea.....bottom line......

The major issue of this Club is not the organization of the Cabinet or whatever anyway, it is the issue of survivability at this point and the lack of a clear focus for future membership gains and new games to add into rotation and the willingness of the membership to expand their gaming horizons.....just because a system has worked for so long doesn't mean it needs a tune up every now and then.....

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

To say that something has worked for the last 10 years so no need to change it is a matter of perspective. I'm sure the people in England thought everything was well in how the colonies were run in America, so why change.The American colonist of course had a different perspective and did change things.

regards

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Al, if you as you say are open to moving in another direction if the club decides so , then why so much opposition to an open discussion on the matter?
Everytime somebody posts an idea for change, a certain vocal segment says"no need to change" that's it. What are you so afraid of?

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David Stotsenburgh,

Change is not the issue for me, it is the reason for change and I think change for change sake it may be a mistake. As I have stated this is my opinion and I am defending it. No more, no less, so I will move on for now and see where all this takes us. And I do not want to offend anyone with my opinion and am not trying to insult anyone with my view of the matter at hand.

For now I will remain quiet and let others speak their minds... Well I will make a concerted effort to do so!

Battle On....

Al, fair enough

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Why don't we discuss this on Scott's suggestions page, I have posted there on his ideas and others as well. We can also discuss toher ideas there. Let's get on one thread and stay there. I hate double typing.

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

[quote="zinkyusa"]Why don't we discuss this on Scott's suggestions page, I have posted there on his ideas and others as well. We can also discuss toher ideas there. Let's get on one thread and stay there. I hate double typing. [/quote]

DITTO!

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

The NWC has some challenges in front of it.

The ACWGC has gone through most of these challenges. The result was elections for the President the Army Commanders and Cabinet secretaries. Most of the changes to the ACWGC rules were a result of the elected officials trying to improve them. I was not part of the major changes being outside of the Cabinet for 6 years. I would have tried to keep them simple as much as possible. However there are forces that want to make the club sound and secure and that requires comprehensive rules. Scott points to the ACWGC club rules and says this is not what you want. I agree that bureaucracy is troublesome. However that being said, as a club matures and after almost 15 years of success with a club still going strong, rules need to be clearer and cover many situation. The ACWGC rule have been incrementally updated to satisfy the membership demands not in spite of it.

The ACWGC is not perfect, the rules are not perfect but you cannot argue with success.

If you don't want centralize control and dictatorships you need to have an election for position as flawed as that may be. Who said that democracy is not great but look at the alternatives. In the ACWGC the President and the Chief of the Armies have a veto. This prevents any SIDE with a dominant vote such as 4 CSA VS 3 USA in the 7 man ACWGC Cabinet with a veto. Changes that would be preferential to one side can be vetoed. A 4 man majority can be reversed.

I think that if the NWC wishes to continually improve it need to address the situation. I am not saying that the ACWGC has the perfect solution however you should not discredit it's experience and position.

Scott don't point at the ACWGC as something bad and I take exception to that, use it's experience to build on. 15 years of success for the ACWGC and 11 years for the NWC are not to be thrown away off hand.

I read your post in regards to changes to the structure. I think it does need changes however I have learned that any proposed setup will not achieve the expected results. What you ideally may want to happen just will not. Ergo rules........

Learn and improve.

To include web teams and Forum/DoR administrators in the Club structure is what is lacking at the ACWGC as well. Figure out how to include them ( all those great volunteers) in the overall Cabinet structure. This would be a major plus for the NWC,

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General en Chef Pierre D.
La Grande Armee
25ème Régiment de Dragons,
Détachement de la 3ème Corps d'Armée,
3ème Corps d'Armée

Pierre:

Well said!

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

I wasn't saying it was bad, but the Club Governance section of the ACWGC rules, is extensive, too much IMHO for what is suppose to be the actual focus on the Club. Plus it seems like every other election there has some sort of issue. The most recent Presidential one has created the need for more rules to be added. Not your fault by the way, situations arise. But I have tried to direct people to join and most do, but sometimes people will have questions about the rules. I've had a couple folks say they don't wish to be a rules lawyer to have to go through it all to find what they are looking for. Again I am not pointing the finger at anyone, I just hate to see something I feel isn't needed per say, applied here too. The NWC is a different beast than the ACWGC.

Either way like I said before I was asked to post it, I don't expect anything to happen and nor do I care really. My interest in pushing for things here is gone.....I'm just along for the ride now and to recruit new members from various game maker and historical dicussion forums.....I'm no longer going to be proactive with things.....I leave it to others now...

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

Very interesting idea. This would avoid the recent incidents and would force all the Cabinet members to find a compromise instead of to vote. In the incident Allied had three voices and vote together (take note that in the past, when John Corbin was the President, the french had the Cabinet majority but the compromise search was always a priority in these old times. At least it was my impression)

Best regards

General Lamezec
Prince et Comte de Davout
IVème Corps