Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Monsieur the question should be why aren’t people playing HP games 14 out of 25 games posted on the opponents finders are BG.Time is important also but why play these long HP 300+ games which never finish! Revamp the HP games to be playable as the old BG games mesi.

General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

I prefer the HPS games myself. I know that there are a few battles that have a lot of turns and consequently require a strong committment from both parties to finish but there are a sufficient amount of shorter battles as well.



Major Dale Lastowicka
16th Light Dragoons (The Queen's)
4th Cavalry Brigade
Cavalry Corps
Anglo-Allied Army

Monsieur I understand what you like but the majority of players prefer the BG games who can you play when 14 out of 25 want to play BG there most be something to that ! I to prefer the HP games over BG but I like playing so I most play BG if I want to play.

General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

Maybe you've got it backwards. Maybe there are more BG postings because those folks can't find games and fewer HPS games because those folks are already playing. I've got one campaign and two battles going and they are all HPS. Never had any problem finding HPS opponents when I need them.

Field Marshall Sir Mark Nelms K.G.
1st Regiment of Foot Guards

I think I agree with Mark. However I will add I like both forms of the game.

As regards HPS I think it takes some getting used to for BG players and the problem with the blitz attack is in my view the core of it. That said you can play MDF I played my first 9 games that way before changing to the turn based game. Also Embedded melee is a solution but an average one as its not part of the game engine.

In summary I will play both. But the scale of HPS makes it more appealing.



General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

Do remember Matrix had the Old GB games remade . as many guys may have got these thats why we have a long list of guys looking for battle with them. before that .. it was the other way around ..

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Prince d` Istria et Comte d` Arles La Jeune Garde

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Mon Field Marchel if I have it backwards then there would be a one to one different in request for games.
Could it be that it tacks longer to play HP games? My interests is to speed the HP games up esp Jena and then maybe we would see more Hp post that would open a flood gate.
I know with the world wide economy most are working hard to keep their jobs or trying to find one an gaming is the last thing that on their mind.


General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

Cliff I think its an undefendable position to say it takes longer to play HPS vs BG. A 30 move game of bg vs hps involves 3 times as many emails between players. The only thing that makes Jena longer is if you choose one of the huge scenarios. Which BG does not offer.

So its the players choice not the game. HPS's single phase turn is quicker in everyway than playing the broken down phase by phase system of BG.

regards



General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

Mon General that what I'am talking about the long games which I play the time frame of 10min is killing me. When I play a game with or without a person it tacks so long to move to engagement.
Now the old games were faster this goes along with Bills request for information to change back to the 15min games . Which I'm for but please leave everything as is. I also like 30min game. But thats just me.

General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

Then play the 15 minute versions I put out in the last update. That is why they were put in!

Jena is the ONLY game using the 10 minute turns. You are not even counting Waterloo, NRC, Eckmuhl or Wagram! These use 15 min turns. (but I might put up 10 min. versions for EC and WC on my website one of these days)

So you are singling out ONE game! Jena! I dont call that a fair assessment. And I heartily agree - a game of BG takes MUCH longer to play.

I just made a cursory glance and in the last update I added in FORTY-ONE 15 minute scenarios! Have you played them all? Doesn't sound like it. Or did you not notice them in the list (they are near the bottom of the list)? Maybe you didn't so why not take a peek at the list again. They are there!

You have the best of both worlds with Jena and my next THREE games will also deliver BOTH formats. I also will be adding in cavalry REGIMENT versions of the main scenarios too. Like Charlie and Rich, I will break down the LARGE regiments (over 1000 men) into two groups. Breakdown will be FOUR squadrons per the PDT file. So you can move regiments on the pikes if you like without a long string of units.

Here is an example of one of the 15 minute Jena scenarios:

#15_00h_1_Six_Days.scn - #15_00h_1. Six Days in October - Historical is one of the longest scenarios in the update and it has 390 turns instead of 524.

BUT there are a bunch others that are much shorter!

So go out and start up a Jena game using 15 min. turns. Pop some popcorn and grab a soda! Enjoy!

NOTE: the Auersteadt full battle scenarios are being redone - lengthened and better victory conditions for the next update. I am playing a member in the one where Bernadotte arrives and I Corps is deploying right as the game is ending! I blunder but I do try and fix my blunders.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

Mesi for the information I wish I knew that when I was getting killed in them 10min games. But my question still remains that there are 25 game offers for BG and 14 for Hp and three of the 14 are mind. I was wondering why there were not more for HP maybe all the HP gamers are busy playing HP!

General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

For years we have seen alot of HPS games going. Just check the stats.

You cant gauge the amount of interest in a game just by looking at the Opponents wanted board at this moment. Every year check the amount of games played for each game. It averages out.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

I only play the HPS games, and I also never have a need to post to the Opponents Wanted section as I have no shortage of people to game against...so basing any sort of "pulse of the club" off that specific forum is inaccurate I would say.

Maréchal Hamilton,
Duc de Barbancon
21st Division
VII Corps, ADR

1er Regiment Garde
Fusiler-Grenadiers

I only play HPS games because I don't like the blitz tactics encouraged by by the TS\BG games. I probably only post for opponents anoe out of every five games I play as over the years I have found opponents I prefer to play steadily, or I may correspond with guys over other issues or clubs and can get a game most of the time without posting.

I would be shocked if the total amount of registrations over the last couple of years show that TS\BG is being layed more than HPS.[?]

Major General Ed Blackburn
Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA
3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards

To settle the discussion please review

[url][/url]http://members.home.nl/uythoven/2008/NWC2008.htm

You will note in 2008 the majority of the games completed were HPS.

I am unbiased as I will play both, this is just the facts. I see both systems as flawed but HPS as better supported and growing with according to Bill's other post three new games coming out. But I also don't really see the need to decide what's best. It's cool we can still play BG (with its mods as well). Its also cool we have HPS!

Cliff if you are wondering why you are not getting responses to your multi nation concept I think it may be to complicated and not articulated well enough for people to easily absorb. Players don't like to commit to big multi player games unless they are sure all participants will play regularly.

Nothing personal my friend I admire the idea.

Salute!








General de Brigade Knox
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur (the regaled pheasants)
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm