Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Does anybody has a complete set of pictures of the epaulettes/ rank badges of British officers from Luit.-to field marshal?

I like to add these to the OOB, just like I did with the Dutch-Belgian army here:
http://home.scarlet.be/~tsh40803/AAA/DB.html

Let me know,



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Luitenant-Generaal Marco Bijl





Commander Anglo-Allied army.

2nd Dutch guides (guards).
Militaire Willems Orde 3rd Class (MWO)
Commandeur Militaire Willems Orde (MWO).

Nice job Marco.

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(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
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Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
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I found the imagery you need Marco!

From what I can see this is the perfect imagery for a British officers epaulettes. (Or is that Muddy's horse?)

[:o)][:D][:o)]



Mamaluke runs for cover....

General de Brigade Knox
Grand Duc d'Austerlitz et Comte de Argentan



Escadron Mamelouks
Chasseurs a'Cheval
Division de Cavalerie la Vieille Garde.





CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bijl0130</i>
<br />Does anybody has a complete set of pictures of the epaulettes/ rank badges of British officers from Luit.-to field marshal?
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Can't be done. They were no rank insignia throughout like today. General officer ranks were differentiated only by the spacing of the lapel buttons. Subalterns by where the epaulette(s) was (were) worn. So all you have real insignia for is staff officers (and that only from 1812 I think). Major has a star. Lt. colonel has a crown. Full colonel has both.

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[url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_walter/NWC/2nd_Dragoons.htm"][/url]
Maj. Gen. D.S. "Green Horse" Walter
~ 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) ~
2nd (Union) Brigade, Anglo-Allied Cavalry Corps
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~ 3rd (Prince of Wales's) Dragoon Guards ~
[url="http://www.geocities.com/militaireacademie/"][/url]
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Sir Colin,

This is going much to far! Sir Muddy's horse is more brown in colour and a little bit smaller too. But indeed the ears look the same, I have to admit. This one is not to compare with the strange animal on your picture.

And to compare donkeys with the Brass of the English army is of course not done. [:0]

Please choose your weapons Sir!

That is: please choose a game engine and scenario so that we can fight it out on the field of honour. Then we will see if these Mamalukes can stay in the saddle and fight real warriors![xx(]


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Luitenant-Generaal Marco Bijl





Commander Anglo-Allied army.

2nd Dutch guides (guards).
Militaire Willems Orde 3rd Class (MWO)
Commandeur Militaire Willems Orde (MWO).

General Bijl
It would seem you want to shut the Mamaluke up...[:D][:D][:o)]
I am prepared to defend my over inflated honour sir I shall send you a courier soon.

Salute!

General de Brigade Knox
Grand Duc d'Austerlitz et Comte de Argentan



Escadron Mamelouks
Chasseurs a'Cheval
Division de Cavalerie la Vieille Garde.





CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
http://www.aspire.co.nz/colinknoxnwc.htm

I did a search for you but couldn't come up with anything.

Sounds like something for a trip to the British museum.[:p]

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

I have a men in arms book I copy them for you and post them in a few weeks

General de Brig Kliff Marbot
II Corps Art Res Division .Commander
Marechal de Camp AN

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by clifton seeney</i>
<br />I have a men in arms book I copy them for you and post them in a few weeks
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I'd be surprised. As I said below, there are really no rank-specific insignia for the British army at that time, except for field officers, for whom they were introduced with the regulations of 1811. Otherwise the officer's uniform as Waterloo was still regulated by the clothing regulations of 1802.
There is a schematic representation of the insignia worn by infantry NCO's and officers up to the rank of full colonel in Men-at-Arms 119 "Wellington's Infantry (2)", p. 36, but that's really just a schematic drawing that doesn't help you with a graphic representation worthy of an OOB webpage. And there is really no good way of presenting the subtle differences between the various general officer ranks, when the only hard criteria is the number and spacing of the coat buttons and the lace on the button-hole.
Of course you could anachronistically use rank insignia from the late 19th century ... but personally I wouldn't feel happy with that.

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[url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_walter/NWC/2nd_Dragoons.htm"][/url]
Maj. Gen. D.S. "Green Horse" Walter
~ 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) ~
2nd (Union) Brigade, Anglo-Allied Cavalry Corps
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~ 3rd (Prince of Wales's) Dragoon Guards ~
[url="http://www.geocities.com/militaireacademie/"][/url]
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I agree with Dierk. In Russian army there was no difference whatsoever to distinguish between the ranks. The only thing one could find ou was whether the officer in question is junior (from praporschik to kapitan or rotmister), senior (from mayor to polkovnik) or general (from general-mayor and higher). Stars as a distinction between ranks were introduced only by Nicolas I. Hence we do not use the rank badges for oob. No one complains[:)]

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<center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku
General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko
Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center>

What about the system of the iNWC. How accurate is that?

http://battleground-club.de/dienstgrade.html

I agree with some others that is not absolutely needed to include ranks in the OOB, but it looks nice if it's in place.


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Luitenant-Generaal Marco Bijl





Commander Anglo-Allied army.

2nd Dutch guides (guards).
Militaire Willems Orde 3rd Class (MWO)
Commandeur Militaire Willems Orde (MWO).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bijl0130</i>
<br />What about the system of the iNWC. How accurate is that?

http://battleground-club.de/dienstgrade.html

I agree with some others that is not absolutely needed to include ranks in the OOB, but it looks nice if it's in place.


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Luitenant-Generaal Marco Bijl


Commander Anglo-Allied army.

2nd Dutch guides (guards).
Militaire Willems Orde 3rd Class (MWO)
Commandeur Militaire Willems Orde (MWO).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'll be the first to say our stuff is home made. Also please don't rip it off.... [:)]

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General der Infanterie Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
(Old Windy) (Windbagfrankfurter) (The Mad Prussian) (Herr Windbagenführer)
Generalquartiermeister der Preußischen Armee
Kommandeur Garde-Grenadier-Korps
Königlich Preußische Armee am Niederrhein
Webmaster & Club Cabinet - Public Relations Officer
Vorwärts Meine Kinder, Vorwärts!!

[url="http://www.prussianarmy.com/"]Königliche Preußische Armee[/url]
[url="http://www.networkforgood.org"]Network for Good[/url]

[url="http://napoleonicwargaming.com"]Napoleonic Wargaming - INWC[/url]</center>

Not sure for the other Armies. Russian epaules are given as of 1830-s. The anachronism Dierk wrote about.

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<center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku
General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko
Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bijl0130</i>
<br />What about the system of the iNWC. How accurate is that?
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It's post-1900 actually.

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[url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_walter/NWC/2nd_Dragoons.htm"][/url]
Maj. Gen. D.S. "Green Horse" Walter
~ 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) ~
2nd (Union) Brigade, Anglo-Allied Cavalry Corps
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~ 3rd (Prince of Wales's) Dragoon Guards ~
[url="http://www.geocities.com/militaireacademie/"][/url]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="3" face="book antiqua" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bijl0130</i>
I agree with some others that is not absolutely needed to include ranks in the OOB, but it looks nice if it's in place.
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If you can live with a system that does not give the precise actual rank in most cases, just give all subalterns an epaulette with nothing on it, then major (with star), lt. colonel (crown), colonel (both), and for general officers just show an aiguilette, for that was their most obvious mark of rank.
Now what's an aiguilette? The confusing set of golden strings or cords that hangs from the right shoulder and is certainly most inconvenient when you have dinner in your dress uniform, but is certain to excite any four-months-old child if you happen to pick it up. [;)]
His Grace the Duke of Wellington is pleased to demonstrate it to us, here ...

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[url="http://home.arcor.de/dierk_walter/NWC/2nd_Dragoons.htm"][/url]
Maj. Gen. D.S. "Green Horse" Walter
~ 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) ~
2nd (Union) Brigade, Anglo-Allied Cavalry Corps
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~ 3rd (Prince of Wales's) Dragoon Guards ~
[url="http://www.geocities.com/militaireacademie/"][/url]
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