Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

In my next title I am contemplating on how to do the leader faces. Often its impossible to find pictures for all of the leaders.

So ... in this next title I will release would you:

1. Want to see the faces even if its wrong.

2. Want to see no fact rather than one that is incorrect.

For #2 you would see the a graphic that would be a flag for that nation or some generic image (not a face).

See The Renaissance game for an example of how we would do it.

Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come)
Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about!

I like the face outline but blacked out so you know that when a face is displayed it is that person.
Or you could get all of us to send in passport pics and you could use them [:D]
Otherwise a flag is fine by me rather than an incorrect face.

Col Mike Ellwood
Commander Officer
3rd Dragoon Division
Reserve Cavalry

I like faces!

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<b>general-feldmarshal prince Eugene Gulyaev-Smolenskiy aka Jeka
Club Secretary
4th Cavalry Corps
Leib-Gvardii Semenovskij Polk</b>

I would like to see a face, even it is the wrong one. Maybe a generic face?

Oberst Joseph 'Freiherr' Alberti
IR# 42 Graf Erbach, 2nd Division, I Armee Korps
Armee von Osterreich

I like faces too!

Field Marshall Sir Mark Nelms K.G.
1st Regiment of Foot Guards

I vote for the faces. They are a visual cue, not becuase I recognize all of the faces but I know that when I see a face that unit is a leader....

As long as the face represents someone from the period! So no sneaking in Frederick the Great, of Patton. Heck, you could take a photo of yourself in a puffy white whig, scan it in, give it to Mark for some art touch up, and none of us would be any wiser.. The Hitchock approach...

Feldmarschall Jim 'Prinz' Pfluecke
Commander, Austrian Cavalry Reserve
3 Graf O'Reilly Chevauxleger Rgt
Hahn Grenadier Bn

Thanks guys, we will stick with the current format. More of a visual cue I guess than really checking to see if its accurate.

Mark and I go through the internet and our books trying to find pics for the leaders. In particular the Allies are hard to find.

If you want to help us with the Allies please email me separately. In particular we can always use help with the Russians.

I did find a few of the "name-1, name-2, name-3" Russian leaders - you know, the ones that have the same name but a number after them. Wikipedia had a good article on one of them for the Austerlitz game. I found one picture for one of the three that shared the same name.

Usually I like to change those to use an initial for the name and drop the number. But sometimes I just used the number.

Its a time issue. Just don't have the time always to find everything we need. And I do not know French, German or Russian either. Always good to have guys like Warren Bajan or Tomasz or Dierk's assistance. Warren has been invaluable on our recent team, he reads German and French.

Anyway, thanks for the help! Default it is!

Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come)
Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about!

Bill,

in St.Petersburg in the Winter Palace there exists a Military gallery. It consists portraits of approximately 2/3 of Russian generals taking part in the Napoleonic wars. The portraits were created by George Dowe and his students in early 1820s/ This is a link to the web page with list of all the portraits in gallery:
http://www.museum.ru/1812/persons/vgzd/general.html
Clicking on every name will lead to a personal page with large picture in two formats - color and black and white, description of the picture (uniform, awards depicted, etc.) and brief bio. All the names are easily transliterated with Google.

This is a list of all the Russian generals active in late XVIII-early XIX century:
http://www.museum.ru/1812/persons/RUSS/ra_a09.html
Link on every name leads to a web page with brief bio, service history, award etc. In the bottom of the page there is a link to biographic articles. The later often consist small black and white portraits from other sources.

This is the complete list of Russian army regiments, their commanders and Chefs:
http://www.museum.ru/1812/Library/Podmazo/index.html
There exist individual pages for officers, they are the same with the previous database.

To repeat all the names are easily transliterated.

Disclaimer. I have no idea about possibility to use this info/images in a commercial product. In printed works they must be referenced.

Hope it helps a bit.

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<center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku
General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko
Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center>

Bill,

You can use my face for the ones you can't find. I'll send you a piccy.[:p]

Field Marshall
Ed Blackburn
Commanding Second Div, II Corps, AAA
3rd Bn / 1st Regiment of Foot Guards

Yeah, you can use my face to. Although any unit in my "command" would need to suffer a morale penalty due to my ugly mug...

Feldmarschall Jim 'Prinz' Pfluecke
Commander, Austrian Cavalry Reserve
3 Graf O'Reilly Chevauxleger Rgt
Hahn Grenadier Bn

Anton - a most helpful page ... but I do not read Russian! Is there a way to translate this page?

I will pass this along to Mark. VERY MUCH THANKS if somehow you know of a way to translate it into English. Sorry but all I know about Russian is Das Vadanya and Nyet! [:D]

Oh yes, and that cossacks dance with bears! [8D]

Jim and Ed, look we do want to ATTRACT and KEEP our customer base right! [8D] I wanted to add in my pic but Mark nicely pulled me aside and said, "See kid, you may want to rethink this idea of yours. After all John does have to make a living selling these games to discerning gamers!" I pretty much shelved that idea right away!

I will add though that Joe Amoral sent me some work he did based on our faces (well John's anyway) for the Unit.bmp pics. He sort of morphs them a bit so they are not spitting images.

Ah yes, takes me back to the days of AH Squad Leader when they used the names of their staff for the leader names. Sgt Stahler and Lt. Greenwood immediately come to mind!

Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come)
Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about!

Anton - Ok, Mark Adams did a web translation of this page. Here are the results - please let me know if its accurate. Also: are these all generals of the Napoleonic period or of all Russian generals?

RUSSIAN PORTRAITS GEN,
Dzh.DOU made
for the Military Gallery of the Winter Palace.

View location portraits
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Alekseev (1 st) , Ilya Ivanovich
Albert Alexander
Andrew Stepan
Arakcheev Alexey
Argamak (2 nd), Ivan Andreevich (considered a portrait of Ivan Argamakova)
Argamak (1-y), Ivan (considered a portrait of Ivan Andreevich Argamakova)
Arseniev Mikhail Andreyevich
Ahte Egor Andreevich
A
B
In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Baggovut Carl F.
Bagration, Petr Ivanovich
Bagration Roman I.
Balabin PI
Balashov, Alexander D.
Balk, Michael D.
Barclay de Tolly , Mikhail Bogdanovich
Bartolomei , Alexei Ivanovich
Bakhmetev (1 st) Alexei
Bashilov Alexander
Benardos Panteleimon Ye
Benkendorf (1 st) Alexander Khristoforovich
Benkendorf (2 nd), Constantine Khristoforovich
Benningsen Leonty L.
Berg (2 nd) Burkhard Maximovich
Berg (1 st) Gregory Maximovich
Berdyaev Alexander
Bibikov Alexander
Bystrom (2 nd) Adam I.
Bystrom (1 st), Karl I.
Bogdanovsky Andrey
Borozdin Nikolai Mikhailovich
Budberg Karl V.
Buchholz , Otto I.
A B
In
Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Vadbolsky Ivan Mikhailovich
Wallmoden Ludwig
Vasilchikov (2 nd), Dmitry V.
Vasilchikov (1 st) Hilarion V.
Vasilchikov (3rd), Nikolai
Wielkopolska Anton P.
Veliaminov Ivan
Veselitsky Gabriel P.
Wintzingerode Ferdinand F.
Vistitsky Mikhail S.
Wittgenstein Peter Christianovich
Witt Ivan Osipovich
Vlastov Yegor Ivanovich
Vlodek Mikhail
Voyeikov Aleksey V.
Warriors Aleksandar
Volkov, Mikhail Mikhailovich
Volkonskiy Peter M.
Volkonskiy Sergey G.
Vorontsov , Mikhail Semenovich
Vuich Nikolai
Wurtemberg Alexander
Wurtemberg Eugene
And B In
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D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Galatte Joseph N.
Gamenya Alexey
Gamper Yermolay Ermolaevich
Gangeblov Simon G.
Harpe Vasily
Geydenreyh Ivan G.
Gelfreich Bogdan B.
Gertsdorf Carl Maximovich
Ginet Yakov Ye
Glebov Andrey Savich
Gogel Fedir
Golenishchev-Kutuzov Mouraviev
Golitsyn, Dmitry
Golovin, Evgeniy
Gorchakov, Andrei Ivanovich
Greek Timothy D.
Gresser Alexander
Gudovich Andrey
A B in T
D
E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Davydov (2 nd) Denis V.
Damas Maxim I.
Delianov David Artemyevitch
Denisov, Vasily T.
Denisev Luke A.
Denisev Peter V.
Depreradovich Nikolai
Dehterev Nikolai
Dibich Ivan
Dovre Fedor Filippovich
Dolon Osip Franzevich
Dorokhov Kozlovsky
Dokhturov Dmitry
Driesen Fyodor Vasilyevich
Duca, Ilya Mikhailovich
Durnovo Ivan
Dyatko Stepan Vasilyevich
And B In Mr. D
E
M W AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Emelyanov Nikolai Filippovich
Ermolov Alexei Petrovich
Ershov Ivan Z.
E. Andrey
Eshin Vasily
And B In Mr. A of E
F
W AND K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Zhevakhov Ivan Semenovich
Zheltukhin (2 nd), Peter F.
Zheltukhin (1 st) Sergei F.
Zhemchuzhnikov Apollo S.
Jomini Henry Veniaminovich
And B In Mr. D E F
W
And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Zagryazhsky Pyotr
Zakrevsky Arseniy Andreyevich
Zass Andrei Andreyevich (considered a portrait of Andrei Pavlovich Zass)
Zass Andrei Pavlovich (considered a portrait of Alexander's Zass)
Zbievsky Timothy I.
Zvarykin Fyodor Vasilyevich
And B In Mr. D E F G
AND
K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Ivelich PI
Ignatiev, Dmitri L.
Ilovaisky (3rd), Aleksey Vasilyevich
Ilovaisky (12 th) Vasily
Ilovaisky (9 th), Gregory D.
Ilovaisky (4 th) , Ivan D.
Ilovaisky (5 th) Nikolai
Ilovaisky (10 th) Osip V.
Inzov Ivan Nikitich
And B In Mr. D E F G And
K
L M N O P P P T Y F X C H W Shch E S I
Kablukov (2 nd) , Vladimir Ivanovich
Kablukov (1 st) Platon Ivanovich
Kazachkovsky Cyril F.
Kaisarov Paissy S.
Kaptsevich Peter M.
Karpenko, Moses I.
Karpov Akim Akimovich
Kern Yermolay F.
Kikin Pyotr Andreyevich
Klodt von Yurgensburg Carl F.
Knieper Fedor Evstafevich
Knorring Karl Bogdanovich
Knorring , Otto F.
Knyazhnin (1 st) , Alexander Y.
Knyazhnin (2 nd), Boris Yakovlevich
Cozen Pyotr Andreyevich
Kozlyaninov Ivan T.
Kologrivov Aleksei Semenovich
Kolyubakin Peter M.
Konovnitsyn Pyotr
Konstantin Pavlovich
Kornilov, Pyotr Yakovlevich
Corfe Fyodor Karlovich
Kostenetskiy Vasily
Krasovskii Athanasius I.
Kreutz Cyprian Antonovich
Kretov Nikolai
Kryzhanovskii Maxim K.
Kudashev Nikolai Danilovich
Kulnev Yakov
Kuruta Dmitry
Kutaisov Alexander
Kuteinikov Dmitry E.
Kutuzov , Alexander P.
Kutuzov Mikhail Illarionovich
And B In Mr. D E F G AND K
L
M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Lambert Charles Osipovich
Langeron Alexander Fedorovich
Lanskoy Sergei
Laptev Vasily Danilovich
Levashov Vasily
Lowenstern Karl F.
Levisa Lopatin
Levin, Dmitri A.
Leontiev , Ivan Sergeyevich
Lieven, Ivan Andreevich
Lindfors Fedor Andreevich
Lisanevich Grigory
Likhachev Peter Gavrilovich
Lukow Fedor
Lukovkin Gabriel Amvrosievich
Lyalin Dmitry V.
Lyapunov Dmitry Petrovich
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L
M
H O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Madatov Valerian G.
Manteuffel Ivan
Markov (2 nd) , Alexander Ivanovich
Markov (1 st) Eugeny
Maslov Andrey T.
Matzneff Mikhail
Kozintsev (1 st), Vladimir Petrovich
Kozintsev (2 nd), Mikhail Ivanovich
Melissino Alexei Petrovich
Muller-Zakomelsky Yegor Ivanovich
Merlin Pestel
Miloradovich Mikhail A.
Michaud , Alexander Franzevich
Mordvinov Dmitry Mikhailovich
Mosolov Feodor
Myakinin Nicholas Diomidovich
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M
H
O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Nabokov, Ivan
Nazimov Fedor Viktorovich
Naryshkin Lev
Naumov , Mikhail Fedorovich
Neverovsky Dmitry Petrovich
Neidgardt Pestel
Nikitin, Alexei Petrovich
And B In Mr. A E F G And K L M N
About
P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Obolensky Vasily
Ozharovsky Adam P.
Okulov Modest Matveyevich
Olenin Evgeniy
Olsufiev (1 st) Zakhar D.
Olsufiev (3rd), Nikolai
Oldekop Karl F.
Opperman Charles I.
Orlov Vasily
Orourke Joseph Kornilovich
Osten-Sacken Fabian Vilgelmovich
Osterman Tolstoy Alexander Ivanovich
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O
P
P C T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Palen Matvei
Palen (2 nd), Pavel Petrovich (considered a portrait of Peter Petrovich Palena)
Palen (1 st), Pyotr Petrovich (considered a portrait of Paul Petrovich Palena)
Palitsyn Ivan
Panchulidzev (1 st) Ivan Davidovich
Panchulidzev (2 nd) Semyon Davidovich
Paskevich Ivan
Patton , Alexander Yakovlevich
Paulucci Philip Osipovich
Peyker Alexander Emmanuilovich
Pillar Yegor Maximovich
Pisarev, Aleksandr Aleksandrovich
Platov Matvey Ivanovich
Poltoratskii Konstantin Markovich
Poluektov Boris
Paul Ivan Lavrent'evich
Poncet Mikhail
Posnikov Fedor
Potemkin Yakov
Potocki Stanislav
Pozzo di Borgo Carl Osipovich
Protasov Alex Andrianovich
Pyshnitsky Dmitry Ilyich
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M H O P
P
From T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Rajewski Nikolai
Rakhmanov Vasilii Sergeevich
Slap Dmitry Petrovich
Rennie , Robert Ye
Repnin-Volkonskiy Nicholas G.
Repnin (2 nd) , Efron
Repnin (1 st) , Stepan Yakovlevich
Rehren , Ivan Bogdanovic
Riediger Fyodor Vasilyevich
Ridinger Alexander Karlovich
Richter , Boris Khristoforovich
Rosenberg (2 nd) Alexander (considered a portrait of Fyodor Fyodorovich Rosen)
Rosen (1 st), Grigory
Rosen (3rd), Fyodor (considered a portrait of Alexander Vladimirovich Rosen)
The Russian Ignatius P.
Roth Loggin Osipovich
Rudzevich Gratsiansky
Rykov Vasily
Rileyev (2 nd), Alexander
Rileyev (1 st), Michael N.
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P R
C
T U F X C H W Shch E S I
Sabaneiev Ivan
Savoini Jeremiah Y.
Sazonov (1 st), Ivan Terent'evich
Sazonov (2 nd), Fyodor Vasilyevich
Saxe-Coburg , Leopold
Sanders , Fyodor Ivanovich
Svechin Nicanor M.
Selyavin Nikolai
Saint-Prix Emmanuel Franzevich
Seslavin Alexander Nikitich
Sievers (3rd) Egor Karlovich
Sievers (1 st) Karl
Sipyagin Nicholas Martemyanovich
Skalon Anton Antonovich
Sokolowski Joseph Karlovich
Stavitsky Maxim F.
Stavraki Semen Khristoforovich
Steel Yegor Fyodorovich
Steel Carl Gustavovich
Stroganov, Pavel Aleksandrovich
Sulima, Nikolai Semenovich
Suhozanet Ivan Onufrievich
Suhtelen (2 nd) Paul Petrovich
Suhtelen (1 st) Peter Kornilovich
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P
T
Y F X C H W Shch E S I
Talyzin (2 nd), Alexander Ivanovich
Talyzin (1 st), Fyodor Ivanovich
Tail van Seraskerken Fyodor Vasilyevich
Tesla Alexandr
Titov, Nikolai Fedorovich
Tolstoy Pyotr
Toll , Karl F.
Tormasov Alexandr
Treskin Michael L.
Troshchinsky Ivan E.
Trubetskoy Vasily Sergeyevich
Truzson Christian I.
Turchaninov (2 nd) Andrei Petrovich
Turchaninov (1 st), Pavel Petrovich
Tuchkov (4 th) Alexander
Tuchkov (1 st), Nikolai
Tuchkov (3rd), Pavel
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T
Y
F X C H W Shch E S I
Uvarov, Fedor Petrovich
UDOM (2 nd) Eustace Evstafevich
UDOM (1 st), Ivan
Umanets Andrew S.
Urusov Alexandr
Ushakov (1 st), Pavel Nikolayevich
Ushakov (2 nd), Sergei
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U
F
Kh Ts Ch Sh Shch E U I
Filippstalsky Ernst
Phyllis Paul A.
Falk , Alexander B.
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P R P T I O
X
C Ch Sh Shch E S I
Khilkov Stepan
Khovanskii Nikolai
Khrapovitsky Matthew Evgrafovich
Khrushchev, Ivan
And B In Mr. A of E F G AND TO L M N O P R P T I O X
C
W W Shch E S I
Tsvilenev Alexander
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C
H
W Shch É Yu I
Chalikov Anton Stepanovich
Chaplits Yefim
Chernozub Ilya Fedorovich
Chernyshev, Alexander Ivanovich
Chicherin (1 st), Nikolai Alexandrovich
Chicherin (2 nd), Peter A.
Choglokov Pavel
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H
W
Shch E S I
Shakhovskoy Ivan L.
Shevich Ivan Ye
Scheele Gustav Christianovich
Shenshin Vasiliy Prokhorov
Shepelev Dmitry
Shkapsky Mikhail A.
Shostak Gerasim A.
Schrader Pyotr
Staden Evstafevich Eustace
Steinheil Fabian F.
Shuvalov, Pavel A.
Shulgin, Alexander
Shuhanov Daniil
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W
Shch
E U I
Shcherbatov Alexander Fedorovich
Shcherbatov Alexey
Shcherbatov Nicholas G.
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch
E
U I
Emmanuel George Arsenijevic
Engelhardt Grigory
Ertel Lopatin
Essen Ivan
Essen Peter K.
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E
S
I
Yuzefovich Dmitry Mikhailovich
Yushkov Alexander
And B In Mr. D E F G And K L M N O P P P T U F X C H W Shch E S
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Yashvil Lev

Sorry about the spaces between the letters. I pasted this directly from the email that Mark sent.

Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come)
Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about!

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<br />Anton - a most helpful page ... but I do not read Russian! Is there a way to translate this page?

I will pass this along to Mark. VERY MUCH THANKS if somehow you know of a way to translate it into English. Sorry but all I know about Russian is Das Vadanya and Nyet! [:D]

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Bill,

If you download the Google toolbar it translates text into English whenever you hit upon a foreign language site.
Cheers.

Lt. Col. John Sheffield
<font color="orange">23rd light Dragoon Regiment /
3rd Cavalry Brigade / <b>II Corps </b></font id="orange"><b>
<font color="red">ANGLO-ALLIED ARMY.
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<b> <font color="red">~2nd Btn. 3rd Rgt of Foot Guards~
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<font color="green"> "Among these respectable warriors, the Scotch [Scots] deserve to be particularly commemorated; and this honourable mention, is due to their discipline, their mildness, their patience, their humanity, and their bravery without example."

"On the 16th and 18th of June 1815, their valour was displayed in a manner most heroic." </font id="green">
<font color="red">Viscount Vanderfosse.</font id="red">

Bill,

Or you may just open Google Translate site in another window or tab, then copy the text in question into a proper field. Do not forget to turn your imagination on. The texts may be very strange and funny.

The names are somewhat correctly transliterated. Again you may need some imagination here. For example surname Palen in English is usually spelled as Pahlen. I would spell Akhte instead of Ahte etc. But these are minor corrections.

The list contains only those men who were by 1815 in rank of at least Major General (or corresponding civil rank), who made a major contribution in war with Napoleon and who had an ideally clear dossier. Being under trial for example meant one will not get his portrait in the gallery. There were some politics as well. These questions, although interesting, are not important here. All those who were still alive by the time the portraits were made posed personally. For those killed in action or who died after the war other paintings/engravings were used.

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<center><b>Eyo Imperatorskogo Velichestva Leib-Kirassirskogo polku
General-Adjutant Anton Valeryevich Kosyanenko
Commander of the Second Army of the West </b></center>

Ok - installed the toolbar. Do not like so much space taken away from my window but its all for a worthy cause! [:D]

Thanks much guys.

Colonel Bill Peters, 17th Dragoons, III Corps, French Army
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt, Austerlitz and ... more to come)
Swiss-Swedish Army CinC, Musket and Cannon Game Club - Come over and see what we are all about!