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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:51 am 
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For the Spring Campaign of 1813 how would you list the Russian command structure?

Here is what I am considering using for the Spring 1813 campaign OB - Late April:

CinC - Wittgenstein

Major Components:

Right Wing - GLt Gorschakov II
Berg's Corps
St. Priest's Corps
Cav Division

Center - GLt Miloradovich
Eugene's Corps
Emmanuel's Cavalry

Left Wing - GoI Barclay de Tolly
Markov's corps
Unknown Corps (do not know the commander's name)
One cavalry division

Reserve - Constantine
3rd Gren Corps
5th Guard Corps
Gd Light Cav Div
Reserve Artillery

--------------------end of OB text------------------

Frankly I do not trust Nafziger for the Russians. Did they use a Column system as per 1805 or were they basing their command structure on the Corps system of 1812? It looks like that at the battles they resorted to a "Line" system. At Bautzen they used "Lines" according to Nafziger. Very confusing command structure.

How many armies were there? I see a 3rd Army of the West commanded by Barclay. What happened to the 2nd Army of the West? Was it amalgamated into one of the other armies? From what I gathered my OB listed above covers a "generic" format. I realize that the beginning of the campaign saw the Russian army divided up into "Columns" - Wittgenstein was on the right flank, Miloradovich was in the center. Winzingerode was on the left

Any good OBs in English out there? Or would you be willing to translate for me the framework of an OB?

Looking for a Russian helper here.

NOTE: This OB will be dynamic - I plan on using at least one other OB and will use the ORG file mapping to route the losses from one OB to another. The Russian army changed their commanders around quite a bit. The various brigades seemed to have remained semi-constant. Even entire divisions remained intact. It was the cavalry elements, especially, that changed composition the most. However, I wish to avoid that by just using a simple format for each OB file composed of Army - Wing - Corps or just Army and Corps. I would like to avoid placing a Brigade directly under a Wing for instance.

Sources I am using:

Nafziger: Lutzen & Bautzen
Nafziger: Napoleon's Invasion of Russia (the December order of battle pages in the back of the book add in some detail that might help me)
Hofschroer: Lutzen & Bautzen

I am looking to include as many of the units/formations as possible that COULD have fought in battles from April to June - not counting units that were used to mask fortresses or who were marching to the theater but did not make it - if you provide these I can add them in for a what-if formation that arrive.

Looking to make this as accurate as possible but mainly to include the correct UNITS under the right IMMEDIATE formations (Division).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Ok - this has been changed to be:
(note disregard many of the spelling errors - I am fixing these as I get to them - also: Barclay's "Corps" will be added in later)

Main Army of the Elbe: General of Cavalry Wittgenstein
1st Corps: Generallieutenant von Berg
Cossacks
Platov #4 Cossack Regiment
Koschkin Cossack Regiment
Illowaiski #10 Cossack Regiment
Gorin #1 Cossack Regiment
5th Bashkir Regiment
Cavalry:
Mitau Dragoon Regiment: GM Alexiev
Converged Dragoon Regiment
5th Division: Generalmajor Lukov
Brigade: Generalmajor Mezenzov
Perm Infantry Regiment
Sievesk Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Prince of Siberia
Mohilev Infantry Regiment
Kalouga Infantry Regiment
Grand Duchess Catherine Battalion
14th Division: Generalmajor Kasatschovsky
Brigade: Generalmajor Helfreich
Tenguinsk Infantry Regiment
Estonia Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Colonel Brischinsky
Res. Bn/Count Arakcheyev Gren
Res. Bn/Pavlov Gren
Res. Bn/Ekaterinoslav Gren
Res. Bn/Tauride Gren
Res. Bn/St. Petersburg Gren
Brigade: Colonel Glaskov
Converged Grenadiers of the 5th Division (2)
Converged Grenadiers of the 14th Division (2)
Olonetz Militia Battalion
Vologda Militia Battalion
Artillery Generalmajor Lowenstern
Heavy Battery #1
Heavy Battery #5
Heavy Battery #14
Heavy Battery #33
Light Battery #27
Horse Battery #1 (2 guns)
Horse Battery #2 (6 guns)
Horse Battery #3 (11 guns)
Corps: Generallieutenant Baron Winzingerode
Striefkorps Davidov
Striefkorps Manditov
Striefkorps Prendel
Cossacks:
Grekov #3 Cossack Regiment
Grekov #9 Cossack Regiment
Grekov #21 Cossack Regiment
Shurscherinov Cossack Regiment
Cavalry: Generalmajor Landskoi
Brigade: Colonel Prince Vadbolsky
Alexandria Hussar Regiment
Soum Hussr Regiment
White Russian Hussar Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Knorring
Tartar Uhlan Regiment
Lithuanian Uhlan Regiment (2)
Lithuanian Chasseur a Cheval Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Count Witte
1st Ukranian Cossack Regiment
3rd Ukranian Cossack Regiment
Artillery Generalmajor Nikitin
Horse Battery #7
Horse Battery #8
2nd Infantry Corps: Generallieutenant Prince Eugene von Wurttemburg
3rd Infantry Division: Generalmajor Schachafskoi
Brigade: Colonel Schilvinsky
Mourmansk Infantry Regiment
Revel Infantry Regiment
Tchernigov Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Colonel Kapustin
20th Jager Regiment
21st Jager Regiment
Jager Bn formed from prisoners of war from Breslau
4th Infantry Division: Generalmajor Pischnitzky
Brigade: Colonel Treffurt
Tobolsk Infantry Regiment
Volhynie Infantry Regiment
Riask Infantry Regiment (1)
Brigade: Colonel Ivanov
Krementchug Infantry Regiment
4th Jager Regiment
Artillery
Heavy Artillery Battery #3
Light Artillery Battery #6
Light Artillery Battery #7
Light Artillery Battery #33
Corps: Generallieutenant Count Gotschakov II
7th Infantry Division: Generalmajor Tallisin
Pskof Infantry Regiment
Sophia Infantry Regiment
19th Jager Regiment
Tomsk Infantry Regiment
34th Jager Regiment (1)(From 4th Inf. Div.)
1/2 Bn Oufa Infantry Regiment (From 24th Inf. Div.)
Pioneers (2 cos.)
Cossacks (97)
Russian Reserve Army: General of Cavalry Tormasov
3rd (Grenadier) Corps: Generallieutenant and Adjutant Konovnitzin
1st Division: Generalmajor Sulima
Brigade: Colonel Kniaschnin II
Count Arakcheyev Grenadier Regiment
Ekaterinoslav Grenadier Regiment
Brigade: Colonel Acht
Tauride Grenadier Regiment
St. Petersburg Grenadier Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Tschoglikov (Dresden garrison)
Pernau Infantry Regiment
Kexholm Infantry Regiment
2nd Division: Generalmajor Zwieleniev
Brigade: Colonel Pissaref
Kiev Grenadier Regiment
Moscow Grenadier Regiment
Brigade: Colonel Golowin
Astrakhan Grenadier Regiment
Fangoria Grenadier Regiment
Brigade: Colonel Hesse
Little Russia Grenadier Regiment
Siberian Grenadier Regiment
Artillery:
Heavy Battery #30
Heavy Battery #31
5th (Guard) Corps: Generallieutenant Lavrov
1st Guard Division: Generalmajor Rosen
Brigade: Generalmajor Potemkin
Preobragenski Guard Infantry Regiment
Semenovski Guard Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Krapovitsky
Ismailov Guard Infantry Regiment
Guard Jagers
Guard Marine Equipage Battalion
2nd Guard Division: Generalmajor Udom II (Dresden Garrison)
Brigade: Colonel Krischanovsky
Lithuanian Guard Infantry Regiment
Finland Guard Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Schelutchin II
Leib-Grenadier Regiment
Pavlov Grenadier Regiment
Artillery: Generalmajor Kastanietzky
Guard Heavy Battery #1
Guard Heavy Battery #2
Guard Light Battery #1
Guard Light Battery #2
Guard Cavalry Corps: Grand Duke Constantine
1st Cuirassier Division: Generalmajor Depreradovitsch
Brigade: Generalmajor Arenief
Chevalier Garde Regiment
Horse Guard Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Baron Rosen
Emperor's Cuirassier Regiment
Empress' Cuirassier Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Kretov
Astrakhan Cuirassier Regiment
Ekaterinoslav Cuirassier Regiment
2nd Cuirassier: Generallieutenant Duke Gallizin V
Brigade: Generalmajor Leontiev
Gluchov Cuirassier Regiment
Pskof Cuirassier Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Count Gudovitch
Military Order Cuirassier Regiment
Starodoub Cuirassier Regiment
Brigade:
Little Russia Cuirassier Regiment
Novgorod Cuirassier Regiment
Guard Light Cavalry Division: Generalmajor Schavitsch
Brigade: Generalmajor Tschailikov
Guard Hussar Regiment
Guard Uhlan Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Tschischerin II
Guard Dragoon Regiment
Guard Don Cossack Regiment
Black Sea Cossack Sotnia
Artillery: Colonel Kosen
Guard Horse Battery #1
Guard Horse Battery #2
Cossacks: Generalmajor Ilowaisky XII
Karpov #2 Don Cossack Regiment
Grekof #2 Don Cossack Regiment
Jagodin #2 Don Cossack Regiment
Zikelef Don Cossack Regiment
Ataman Don Cossack Regiment
Rebrikov Don Cossack Regiment
Semenschenko Don Cossack Regiment
Strawrapolsch Don Cossack Regiment
Kutainikov #4 Don Cossack Regiment
Don Horse Battery #1
Reserve Artillery:
Light Battery #32
Light Battery #36
Heavy Battery #5
Heavy Battery #7
Heavy Battery #28
Heavy Battery #31
Heavy Battery #32
Heavy Battery #36
Reserve Artillery Detached to Blcher:
Heavy Battery #1
Heavy Battery #14
Heavy Battery #33

Detachments from Hauptarmee
Generalmajor Tettenborn at Hamburg
Isoum Hussar Regiment (4)
Kazan Dragoon Regiment
Horse Battery #1 (2 guns)
Grebzov Cossack Regiment
Komissarev Cossack Regiment
Sulima #9 Cossack Regiment
Denisov Cossack Regiment
Generalmajor and General Adjutant Tschernischeff on the Saal
Isoum Hussar Regiment (4)
Finland Dragoon Regiment (2)
Riga Dragoon Regiment (2)
Sisava Cossack Regiment
Grekov #18 Cossack Regiment
Vlasov #3 Cossack Regiment
Illowaiski #11 Cossack Regiment
2 Infantry Companies
Horse Battery #1 (4 guns)
Generalmajor Dorenberg in Boizenburg & Lauenburg
Converged Hussar Regiment
1st Bashkir Regiment
Andrev #2 Cossack Regiment
Melnikov #4 Cossack Regiment
1/2nd Jager Regiment
Horse Battery No. 5
Generalmajor Harppe with Bulow's Corps
Polish Uhlan Regiment Ob Gukiev
Niejine Chasseur a Cheval Regiment
Navajinsk Infantry Regiment (562)
Tula Infantry Regiment (401)
Heavy Battery #21
Heavy Battery #28
Beschentzov Cossack Regiment
Grekov #9 Cossack Regiment
Generalmajor von Roth near Leipzig
Brigade: Generalmajor Rudinger
Horse Battery No. 23
Grodny Hussar Regiment
Illowaiski #4 Cossack Regiment
Rabinov #2 Cossack Regiment
Selivanov #2 Cossack Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Vlasov
23rd Jager Regiment
24th Jager Regiment
25th Jager Regiment
26th Jager Regiment
Generallieutenant Count Voronzov marching on Frankfurt
Cavalry Generalmajor Count Orurk
Pavlograd Hussar Regiment
Volhynie Uhlan Regiment
Melnikov #5 Cossack Regiment
Diatchkin Cossack Regiment
Bihalov #1 Cossack Regiment
Kutainikov #6 Cossack Regiment
Illowaiski #3 Cossack Regiment
Illowaiski #5 Cossack Regiment
Horse Battery #11
Horse Battery #13
Infantry: Colonel Krassovsky
13th Jager Regiment
14th Jager Regiment
Sievesk Infantry Regiment (1)
Converged Grenadiers of the 9th Division (2)
Converged Grenadiers of the 15th Division (2)
Converged Grenadiers of the 18th Division (2)
Light Battery #26
General of Infantry Milleradovitsch in Altenburg
Striefkorps of Colonel Orlov (750 men)
Striefkorps of Captain Geismar
Detachment of Generalmajor Emanuel
Kiev Dragoon Regiment
Moscow Dragoon Regiment
Horse Battery #3 (4 guns)
37th Jager Regiment
Barbantchikov #2 Cossack Regiment
Jachontov Opolochenie Cossack Regiment
Detachment of Generalmajor Lissanevitsch in Gera
Tchougouiev Uhlan Regiment
3rd Ukranian Cossack Regiment
Horse Battery #4 (2 guns)
Detachment of Generalmajor Iusefouvitsch in Zeitz
Karkov Dragoon Regiment
Kargopol Dragoon Regiment
Pantelev #2 Cossack Regiment
Horse Battery #2 (2 guns)
llth Jager Regiment
Advanced Guard: Generallieutenant St. Priest
Brigade: Generalmajor Patschulidsev I
Tchernigov Chasseur a Cheval Regiment
New Russia Dragoon Regiment
1st Teptar Cossack Regiment
1st Bashkir Regiment
Horse Battery #6
Brigade: Generalmajor Karpenkov
1st Jager Regiment
33rd Jager Regiment
43rd Jager Regiment
Light Battery #14
4th Infantry Corps: Generallieutenant Markov
Brigade: Generalmajor Turgenev (from llth Division)
Polotsk Infantry Regiment
Jeletz Infantry Regiment
Brigade: Generalmajor Schapskoi
Olonetz Infantry Regiment (from 11th Divison)
Starolsk Infantry Regiment (from 11th Divison)
Kaporsk Infantry Regiment (from 4th Divison)
Corps: Generallieutenant Count Volchonsky
8th Division: Generalmajor Engelhard I
Brigade: Colonel Schindschin
Archangle Infantry Regiment
Schusselburg Infantry Regiment
Old Ingremannland Infantry Regiment
17th Division: Colonel Kern
Brigade: Colonel Kern
Riga Infantry Regiment
Bieloserk Infantry Regiment
Brest Infantry Regiment
Artillery Generalmajor Merlin
Heavy Artillery Battery #2
Heavy Artillery Battery #30
Light Artillery Battery #3
Light Artillery Battery #19
Light Artillery Battery #42
Light Artillery Battery #44
Cavalry Reserve: Generallieutenant and Adjutant Baron Korff
Brigade: Generalmajor Milesinov
Akhtyrsk Hussar Regiment
Loubny Hussar Regiment
Horse Artillery Battery #10

OB is from Plotho care of Warren Bajan.

Barclay was still to the rear with his own corps, coming up to join the action after Lutzen.

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3. Husaren-Regiment, Reserve-Kavallerie, Preußischen Armee-Korps

Honarary CO of Garde-Ulanen Regiment, Garde-Grenadier Kavallerie

NWC Founding Member

For Club Games: I prefer the Single Phase mode of play. I prefer to play with the following options OFF:

MDF, VP4LC, NRO, MTD, CMR, PR, MIM, NDM, OMR (ver 4.07)


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