Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

I have posted a poll to get feedback from the players concerning the 3 different movement rate/time scale formats we use. Please go to:

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72244

and take the poll. The more votes we get the better.

Capt. Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

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Hey Bill
It's a bit of 'speak now or forever hold your peace' is it not?
Come on everyone get voting[:D]

Salute!

Colonel Colin Knox,
Baron de l'Empire
2e Regiment Gardes d'Honneur
La Jeune Garde
CO. 1er Brigade, III Division Cavalerie Legere, III Corps Armee du Nord
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Bill,

I could not vote. But my vote is for the Waterloo movement rates.

Marechal Doug Fuller
Duc de Montmorail et Comte de Hainaut
2e' Grenadiers a' Pied de la Vielle Garde
I Corp Commander
AdN

The poll will help me decide if I add in additional PDT files for all titles I will do or have done. For instance if enough folks like the NRC/Waterloo format I will put out a complete set of files for Jena using that format. I probably will do up a PDT file at the very least with a second set of the stock scenarios (those you see in the Dialog when you start up the Battle engine) using it.

I also plan on putting out an OB for Jena that will merge the cavalry back into squadrons. Enough folks were asking for it so I decided to give it some thought. There will be 4 squadrons per regiment. If a regiment had 8 squadrons then I will have two units for it. Most of the French only had three but I cant do much about that. Four is pretty much middle ground. Charlie used that value in NRC and Waterloo and again, I want to give you guys as much options as possible.

Another thing ... I probably will put out a PDT file that doesnt have weather in it. The night 30 min moves will still apply but the heavy weather restrictions on movement will be lifted.

Capt. Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

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Bill, On the return to Squadrons in Jena, the Prussians of this period had 5 squadrons for the Cuirassiers and Dragoons (except the Konigen and Auer which had 10 split into 2 "Battalions"). The Hussars had 10 (2 Bns used here too), except the von Bila Hussars (#11) which consisted only of 5 Sqdrns. The Towarczy Regt consisted of a 10 Sqdrn element and a 5 sqdrn element..or 3 Bns.
I am sure you know this, but it would seem inappropriate..unless game mechanics don't allow it..to use 4 and 8 sqdrns.

Lt Col Beric Kimball
Cdr, 2d Bde, Cheval Legere, II Cps, AdN

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<br />Bill, On the return to Squadrons in Jena, the Prussians of this period had 5 squadrons for the Cuirassiers and Dragoons (except the Konigen and Auer which had 10 split into 2 "Battalions"). The Hussars had 10 (2 Bns used here too), except the von Bila Hussars (#11) which consisted only of 5 Sqdrns. The Towarczy Regt consisted of a 10 Sqdrn element and a 5 sqdrn element..or 3 Bns.
I am sure you know this, but it would seem inappropriate..unless game mechanics don't allow it..to use 4 and 8 sqdrns.

Lt Col Beric Kimball
Cdr, 2d Bde, Cheval Legere, II Cps, AdN
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What can I say Beric. You justify my going to squadrons. However, there are always going to be those that like to mass a 800 man regiment together and push it around.

Some folks dont like the longer road columns that the squadrons produce. They contend that the infantry likewise needs companies! And then there is the entire discussion of road columns where the cavalry and artillry used the road while the infantry slogged along on the side of the road. What can I say? I have lobbied for a revision of the entire road system for some time. I also am going to continue to advocate that cavalry and infantry can mix without disordering AND that all infantry types could coexist as well together without the same.

But yes, I know what you are saying. The Prussian Towarczy Bns. as well as other units had 5 units. Then you look at the French and they had 3s and some 4s. Add in that the Austrians in Eckmuhl had 6 squadrons and other combinations come up too. We beat this issue pretty well dead. Not much I can do. Popular opinion is divided between having larger formations and squadrons.

There is one way to fix this: if John could introduce a way for squadrons in Jena to reform into a larger formation we could have our cake and eat it too. From the Panzer series: in the OB file you can build formations that have lower order units. Thus in Sicily '43 you can have Para companies that build up to battalians. The company is listed in the OB under a battalian heading.

Here is how that would work in our system:
I would list out each squadron. They would then fall under a "F" type formation. That formation type would allow all of its components to build up into one unit.

Right now we have:
A - army
W - Wing
C - Corps
D - Division
B - Brigade

Here is how a typical formation would look (taken from the halle OB):

D Reserve Cavalry
Begin
L 3 3 199 Pr.v.Wurtemburg
F Hussar #10
Begin
U 144 6 L S 95 32 3 Sq/HR#10
U 144 6 L S 95 32 4 Sq/HR#10
U 144 6 L S 95 32 5 Sq/HR#10
U 144 6 L S 95 32 6 Sq/HR#10
End
F Dragoon #9
Begin
U 140 6 H S 97 34 2 Sq/DR#9
U 140 6 H S 97 34 3 Sq/DR#9
U 140 6 H S 97 34 4 Sq/DR#9
End
F Dragoon #10
Begin
U 140 6 H S 97 34 2 Sq/DR#10
U 140 6 H S 97 34 3 Sq/DR#10
U 140 6 H S 97 34 4 Sq/DR#10
End
End

Thus what you would have is:
1. In the Scenario Editor you would lay out all of the individual components. You could then form them into one regiment if you like.
2. While as squadrons they would be able to breakdown into 2 components (the platoons that Al Amos advocated some time back).

Thus you would get the best of both worlds.

Is this possible? I dont know. I do know that if we went to this it would solve one the dilemnas we have now concerning cavalry.

I also would like to see cavalry in column or line. Column for road movement and line for field deployment. If you fight in column vs. line your opponent would gain a flank benefit of 10 percent or better. To simulate the old days of the Austrians fighting in column vs. the French line and so on.

Capt. Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

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Bill,

Just to throw my two francs in on this topic, albeit a little late. I like the Jena movement rates and the ability of the cavalry squadrons to form platoons.

One area that I think should be looked at is the cavalry charge multiplier. A multiple of "Five" seems like overkill and makes the cavalry extraordinarily powerful. Should a future change be incorporated, I would recommend the multiplier be reduced to "Four" which I think would make for a better simulation.

Jeff Mathes
Colonel
3. Ligne Regiment
1. Brigade 16. Division
V Corps
L'Armée du Rhin

I can't vote

But my voice for the Eckmuhl-Wagram system. I am aginst the fact that Waterloo give the same move for two kind of road.

Regards

Marechal Lamezec
Prince et Comte de Davout
French CIC