Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

If you are interested in playing The Renaissance in a new game club ready to start please [url="williampeters@cableone.net"]email me[/url].

The club will include games in the period of Musket and Pike to the Seven Years war.

The new series will probably have a 30 Years War game come out in the future. As more games come out from HPS we will add them in.

Armies forming now. URL will be posted soon.



Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

As far as armies go, Renaissance has quite a selection to chose from:

Side A
French (including French Catholic), Swiss (mercenaries), Scottish, Dutch, Turks, Portuguese and various Italian States*

Side B
French Huguenot, Spanish/Imperialist, Swiss, English, Hungarians,
Mamelukes/Persians and various Italian States* (Venice, Naples, Milan, Papal, Ferrara, etc, which would switch sides or form alliances amongst themselves according to the current political situation)


This is quite a list - and I've probably left one or two out - but some of these (eg. Portuguese and Hungarians) aren't present in more than a scenario or two.

Historically, the different European States often switched sides during this period so, depending on the current political situation, French might fight alongside or against Swiss and Venetians. There are also quite a number of scenarios where there are multiple armies fighting in alliance - in some cases 3 v 2.

So there should be few, if any, restrictions on players of one army fighting players of any other army from the same "Side" and probably not even fighting other players of the same army (ie. this would represent a revolt or a civil war).

NB: Historically, a "Dutch" player (Side A) would count as an "Imperialist" player (Side B) prior to the Dutch Revolt in the 1560s. Also, from the 1560s onwards, there are often strong English contingents present in "Dutch" armies.


Lt.Col. Rich White
4th Cavalry Brigade
Cavalry Corps
Anglo-Allied Army

Basically the way I am doing it is you pick an army to join and you can play ANY side in any of the scenarios. Members of your own army are more or less fighting for the same "cause" and games amongst the same army will be considered Maneuvers only for the sake of generating more inter-army fighting.

BUT if you join the French army you can fight on whatever side in the game you want. Thus you could play the Spanish in one of the battles and a member of the Hapsburg army could fight as the French. You get the idea.

The army affiliation will be to foster some friendly banter and competition.

I am using a format that will reward those that play bigger scenarios (read: more troops per side) with more points. Not MUCH but it will cause us to avoid having the issue where someone that plays 20 small sized affairs doesnt get more points than the person that plays 20 full sized battles.

BUT the scoring scale will be fair and its based on experience we all have in the clubs.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

Here is a status message on the new game club. I will be posting a link to the forum (which Pierre and Alex are setting up for us) as soon as its available (though you will be able to see it from the forum home page):

1. The name of the club is Musket and Cannon Game Club. M&CGC for short.

2. The website for the club is:

http://myweb.cableone.net/williampeters/mcgc/mcgc.htm

It is best viewed in Internet Explorer. I plan on putting up a version that will work in Firefox, Netscape and IE. For now the pages view best in IE.

3. Recruitment is effective as of today. We do not have a form to submit. You copy the form from the site and and email HQ a completed version.

4. Games supported:

The Renaissance - counts for FULL points

EAW Series - counts as Maneuvers (as I dont want to compete with the CCC but wanted to offer up more than just one game for starters).

More games added as HPS releases anything up to and including the Seven Years War. We will not include the Napoleonic or ACW games.

The concept of the club is to keep it simple. We will have elections annually for officers. There is no Cabinet. Games are scored based on turns, size of scenario and victory level. Tournament games count for more points as an incentive for folks to end their games. Campaigns also have bonus points for finishing them and the points are based on the number of scenarios you played.

Please feel free to send me any questions you have about the club. Dean Beecham is assisting me at present but anyone willing to help out will help too.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

Why we needing for each new game a new club? Let it be Bill. The NWC can handle this very good.

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Stefan Ritter von Reuter
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I was much impressed with Pierre agreeing to add in a new forum for the new club. I say this as Pierre has known me for some time, knows my good and bad points. Has seen me in some ugly moments.

I feel that Pierre thought that a new club would work then I am going to do my best to earn his support in this endeavor.

Dean Beecham is going to help me out, we have started getting recruitment emails already and its pretty much a done deal. I am also going to surround myself with good folks and frankly we will be having elections and I may not even be an army commander next year. And if someone comes along that wants to do the job and has a proven track record then so be it.

That being said I will not add in games of this club. Its in our rules that we will not do that. Same for any in the ACWGC. I added in the EAW series as some of us are no longer welcome over there and even some in the club have voiced to me that they are not enjoying their time there anymore. But they are only for Maneuver points. The main thrust of the club is to cater to M&P thru Seven Years War to include stuff like the Austrian Succession.

I also will support the concept that games played here (in M&P) count over in the other club (provided they are played by our members of course). I will NOT grandfather in past games of M&P into the new club as that would be totally divisive. I would hope that the NWC does not allow that to happen here - our members being lured back with the idea that points earned there count here.

I understand that folks here would prefer to see the game under this roof and I respect that but I totally disagree but will not get into a mud slinging contest over it.

The M&CGC will support this club as a fellow entity in the gaming world. If the NWC adds in all of the games in the series due to come out in the future as well as any others we would have then so be it.

But I prefer to see the NWC remain Napoleonic.

Hey, I remember when some of us wanted to add in the War of 1812 game from the EAW series. All sorts of comments were made that it didn't fit. Different tactics, etc. Mainly I am sure that the CCC folks would lose a recruit or two. And I can understand that hence my adding in the EAW games only as Maneuvers.

I can more easily see adding in a game that features similar UNITs before I can one that is based on a similar game engine.

So if John does an Ancients game that uses the Nap engine do we suddenly don togas? [:D]

Trying to keep this upbeat ...

Anyway, do as you like here as I certainly wont argue with whatever John Corbin and the Cabinet decide but for my money we aught to add the game as Maneuver only, just like the PCC did with the Modern games. I play the Modern titles there, the concept of a Maneuver doesn't bother me one bit. I enjoy gaming, not for the points but for the contest. And Ola Berli and I had two great games of the Danube Front game (where his M1s ripped me apart too!).

And I think that we aught to take a bit of time to decide before we get set on adding in games that are of different historical eras just because they have similar game engine features. I hope that the Cabinet is considering the long term effects of taking this step. Whatever we do now will affect the club for years to come. But hey, add it in if you like, you have my "blessing" either way. Its just a game and not worth arguing over!

Have a good day! [8D]

(I remember Stefan that we are not always on good terms and I am not opposing you because we didn't always get along in the past - its just my gut instinct that a new club can make it and once its up and running others may agree that it was the best way to go. If I am wrong I will be the first to tell you! Frankly whatever differences we have I hope are over and we can continue together as fellow members and not as adversaries)

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

Bill, my meaning have nothing to do with our "differences". Also I will join your club (hope to have the game on wednesday[:D]) ... when the NWC decidet to take it NOT under his roof. I still hope John take it.
I think we shatter our strength. At the end we have some small clubs with low or none activity. I see this in the MBC. I'm sad about this process.

<font color="gold">Feldmarshall
Stefan Ritter von Reuter
Großfürst von Wahlstadt
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I understand. I am in three clubs (now four) and frankly its harder to want to start a big battle in ALL of the clubs. Thus I tend to play the smaller actions.

However, I have noted over the years that folks drift away from one or more game engines due to getting tired of them and end up playing in two clubs at most.

The idea at one point was brought up by Al Amos - why not just have one game club? I have thought for years on how we could do this. In the end we all dont agree on the styles to run a club as much as we disagree about how the games model the period! [:D]

The Panzer club has a different style than the MBC, CCC than the NWC, etc. Perhaps diversity is not such a bad idea. Some members just dont get along with certain members in other clubs and dont want to have any part of them. I know how unpopular I am with some people still do this day.

If someone could come up with a way to tuck all of the HPS/Talonsoft clubs under one umbrella, get the right spirit of membership camaraderie going I would be all for it!!! We are all tired of all of the different admin that has to go on to support more than ONE club.

But in the end if we start bringing in games into the clubs just to reduce admin and find that they are of such a different era that we no longer have a historical identity then I think that is going to be a problem as well.

Hey, by having these roleplaying clubs we actually splinter the Blitz, a club that is older than many of ours! So in fact just by having our clubs we splinter the wargaming community. Yes, I dont like ladder clubs much. I am playing on the GameSquad mainly to help keep the HPS games going on that location. Not that it needs me but the more the merrier. I heartily suggest that if any of you are looking for a general location to play games that the GameSquad does a good job of it. You get to meet new folks too that would never play in one of our clubs. I have met a new fellow over there that is a blast to play.

Anyway, I understand the issues. The topic has been kicked around for years. All of these clubs ....

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

I have thought about and the cabinet is discussing it..

Our biggest concern is what happens when you get points for an M&P game...

Does it count towards a promtion to a Napoleonic rank?

A "one club for all games" is interesting but how do you get a good feel for the different genres we would be playing?

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<br />I have thought about and the cabinet is discussing it..

Our biggest concern is what happens when you get points for an M&P game...

Does it count towards a promtion to a Napoleonic rank?

A "one club for all games" is interesting but how do you get a good feel for the different genres we would be playing?

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I wonder if there is a set of ranks that would be universal...I mean France having Marshal's is not unique to Napoleon....it would also open the doors for a wide variety of medal sets to be issued and also nobility titles as well.

I am not sure what we would do with an Army OOB? You could do what the Americans at the CCC do and have a small variety for the different periods....

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Bill, I'm curious as to why you chose Musket & Cannon for your club when there are probably some scenarios where none or very few of either were involved. I would have thought that Musket & Pike would have been the obvious choice and would have fit better. If I pick up this game it will mainly be for the older battles where the pike and bow reigned.

Field Marshall Sir Mark Nelms K.G.
1st Regiment of Foot Guards

Mark - gave it some thought and yes, there were a few battles that didn't feature a cannon or musket but musket is a generic term for arquebusier and cannon can mean balista or any weapon fired for length.

The club will cover from M&P to 7YW/EAW so basically the title had to be all inclusive.

If a game on the Hundred Years War or War of the Roses comes out or even back to the Conquest of Prince William of Normandy that would be stretching it a bit to include the games.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)

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<br />I have thought about and the cabinet is discussing it..

Our biggest concern is what happens when you get points for an M&P game...

Does it count towards a promtion to a Napoleonic rank?

A "one club for all games" is interesting but how do you get a good feel for the different genres we would be playing?


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It is very simple, John. All games add to the OBD points of any member. It doesn't matter which series.

These are all European Wars and they ALL lead up to Napoleon. The French were prominent in the earlier wars and continue into the Napoleonic era.

The NWC is a logical place to HOST PIKE and MUSKET series games and there is already a VERY big membership to play from.

This series enhances the NWC, allows new members, and strengthens an already strong club.

It is not toward having one club for all games, but using the existing club structure to support a very similar time period and the direct PRECURSOR to the Napoleonic period.

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<i>"Hundred Years War or War of the Roses ..."</i>


The War of the Roses is the period immediately before Renaissance and <i>might</i> perhaps be feasible to include in the M&P series - artillery and early firearms were quite often present (although generally in small numbers) on the battlefield in this conflict, but probably didn't play a significant role in any of the battles.

However, the Hundred Years War would be better left for a separate Mediaeval series, perhaps using a version of Paul's Ancient engine instead.


Lt.Col. Rich White
4th Cavalry Brigade
Cavalry Corps
Anglo-Allied Army

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<br /><i>"Hundred Years War or War of the Roses ..."</i>


The War of the Roses is the period immediately before Renaissance and <i>might</i> perhaps be feasible to include in the M&P series - artillery and early firearms were quite often present (although generally in small numbers) on the battlefield in this conflict, but probably didn't play a significant role in any of the battles.

However, the Hundred Years War would be better left for a separate Mediaeval series, perhaps using a version of Paul's Ancient engine instead.


Lt.Col. Rich White
4th Cavalry Brigade
Cavalry Corps
Anglo-Allied Army



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re: 100 Years War using Ancient's engine ... I hope not. Not one of my favorite game engines. Trying to figure out which direction your facing is going to be after your units do their move is a bear ...

I dont think a hex based game system works well for linear formations. I prefer something like Sid Meier's Gettysburg or something that allows for more realistic facing.

Being a former minis player like alot of you a hex leaves alot to be desired for any kind of game where facing is important.

Colonel Bill Peters
Armee du Rhin - V Corps, Cavalerie du V Corps, 20ème légère Brigade de Cavalerie, 13ème Hussar Regiment
HPS Napoleonic Scenario Designer (Eckmuhl, Wagram, Jena-Auerstaedt and ... more to come)