Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Ok cool....just wanted to make sure of that as we went along.




This is true and I do note that, which works as long as there is a fluid structure and large amount of officers to command. But what happens if there exists no potential and doesn't for quite a while? It goes back to the issue of flexibility and sustainability.

Oh and a for the record statement, so everyone knows. I am not trying to be negative in this discussion, I am trying to spur it a bit and also present some possible "What If" concepts to consider as well as presenting some counterpoints. Two weeks will come and go very quick, so engagement is key from as many as possible. No one should take what I say to heart or anyone for that matter, as it is not personal. It is only a point and counterpoint discussion, it allows everyone, including myself, to see different viewpoints, ways people see things and conceptualize it all.....

So I don't care who you are, what rank you are, how long you've been a member, if you've got something to add, you should, I fully encourage all to weigh in on the issues at hand.... When we do, we build a much better system in the end....

The LGA command is aware of the possability that there may nit be sufficient qualified officers for command positions and we can deal with that on a caee by case basis.

We are actively encouraging those who are interested in leadership roles by fostering inner-army esprit du corps. Thus far we have had great results.

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Hi John....I see the clarity issues in my original statement above. The question I meant to pose for those to consider is, what happens, when we have reduced OOB structures, but you have willing officers to lead, but not enough open positions to allow upward mobility?? Then it creates and equality issue, per say.

in the event we have more command qualified officers than positions we can do one of:

1 - See if a current commander wants to step down and let someone else have a go.

or

2 - We could rotate people in/out as required.

or

3 - leave it alone.

we have options.

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True, true....good to know. It is more of a minor issues compared to that discussed on page 2 about what constitutes an "Active" member and also the short week long intervals for elections.....

Also worthy of thought as well is Todd's comment on the lower half og the 1st page, mentioning the issues those who might not speak English or read it easily could have. The way the new rules are written is a bit winded (yes Old Windy is saying that )........the thoughts, though good, can be difficult to transcend to other languages, which those people can have issues dissecting meaning. The English language is not a lot of fun, even for English speaking people!!

I know of one person in the Club who uses a translator to speak. I can't imagine him trying to understand the rules. Again I am not knocking fun of it. The writing is very well planned. But what it does is shut out a wider market of recruits, which again leads to issues in flexibility and sustainability of the Club long term.

Again something else to dwell on.

As our existing Club Rules are drafted only in English, and English has always been the standard language of our club since its inception, we will proceed with these revisions on that basis, unless and until, all parties who are currently posting in this discussion thread render their posts in the native language of every individual member of our club.

It is my intention, once these rules are adopted, to have them translated into the major languages of our membership in the same manner as has recently been done for the DoR Instruction Manual that I composed for our club. My compliments to all who participated in those translations, as well as to Al Kling who had the original idea to make them, and his fine coordination of the effort.

That is understood, the current rules are more succinct in their writing in certain parts, which makes it easier to digest. That was a point I left off. I am glad to hear translations will be available. It is something other places do and it helps with a common goal.

Yes, but I don't like it. What if I would like to make suggestions for changes prior to the vote? Asking for a vote on an entire rule when I find a couple of minor points either objectionable or dislike, and then only offering to make a change if the rule is voted no, doesn't sound right to me.

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Marechal Jeff Bardon
Duc de Castiglione et Prince de Wagram
Commandant de la Garde Imperiale

I think Jeff's point is valid.

If changes are needed with the proposed rules, we should make them prior to the vote, not after

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The original intent of the discussion period is to let members decide how they feel about each section. Voice their opinions and figure out where they stand on each section and then vote accordingly. If we keep making changes now we could go on for months without coming to fruition or accomplishing anything. Taking away from working on the fun stuff, playing games and picking on each other in the Rhine.

The cabinet spent a lot of time and effort on these changes and having the rules updated has been along time coming. So figure out how you wish to vote, but do not ask for a lot of tweaking and changing. In the future you can be deciding who manages your club and armies.

So members can review, discuss and figure out where they stand. We can then set up the voting and the members can vote yes or no on each section. In the future we can revisit any section or all of it that does not pass muster.

I agree with Al no need to alter rules prior to the vote. Go to the vote if yes then all good and if no then we alter.
In the end these rules are not much different other than the 'leadership voting' from the old ones.

I don't think they are too long either. Actually for rules that govern a club of this size they are probably about right.

As for Scott's comments about declining role this is speculation is it not? Its not actually a fact at present?? I suspect the total player numbers of the club are fairly constant since I have been a member around 8-9 years. The forums are certainly more active than they used to be and the club feels like it has lots of new names but still plenty of old guard. I don't see a declining club I see a club transitioning from its old ways to a more inclusive approach.

The allied armies are in need of reinvigoration but as I have said I believe the leadership of those armies is stagnant and new blood is needed. The elections will facilitate this necessary refresh.

There are many new names in the club and they continue to grow. I believe the demise of the INWC may well have brought us a group of new membership but also I believe there is a large untapped pool of players out there should we need it.

If we did some market analysis (which is my profession) I think we could grow our membership substantially if we needed to. After all we perhaps have 250 active players at present and I would suggest the 'Ai' market segment of players is massively bigger than that. HPS/JTS/Matrix's sales of the games would be in the thousands of copies. We need only a small % of converts to reinvigorate our ranks.

In essence we have a very small share of this much larger market. Not hard to tap better if we need too. If that day comes I can offer my expertise to assist on that.

Bring on the elections sir's - liberty, fraternity and inclusion for all!

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Marechal Knox

Prince d'Austerlitz et Comte d'Argentan
Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur

"What is history but a fable agreed upon"

The question I posed was whether or not there is a mechanism for making potential changes prior to a vote.

The answer to that question drives what my vote will be and how vocal I will either support the ones I agree with or work to vote down the ones that I feel require changing.

Let me be clear. I agree with the vast majority of what is proposed, but in my opinion there are things that need to be fixed.

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Marechal Jeff Bardon
Duc de Castiglione et Prince de Wagram
Commandant de la Garde Imperiale

Well I'm going to bow out of the discussion for a while. I've spoken my peace. Hopefully it'll be fair weather this weekend and I can get out a bit and enjoy it....

Time for others to speak, for now is time to.