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D.S. Walter
 Post subject: Stupid question
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2002 12:19 pm 
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Obviously, the British pronounce the rank of Lieutenant as "leftenant" for some odd reason (and apparantely the Americans changed to the present pronouncation only in the 19th century). Now the stupid question: does that also apply to Lieutenant Colonel and Lieutenant General? Am I supposed to pronounce my rank "leftenant kernal"? <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I think so....! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Geez ...

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Dierk,
no problem. You are full Colonal soon<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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So what is the origin of the pronunciation? Dying to find out!


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An authoritative source offers the following:

<i>Possible explanations include (a) an English interpretation of the French labial glide of lieu- as a prefix, (b) a mispronunciation of the typographical liev-, (c) a slur of the phrase "in lieu of". British pronunciation may also have been influenced by the notion that a lieutenant could not exercise power until his superior had "left" -- a confusion of the etymology with the verb "leave". </i>

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Well, "leftenant kernal" is certainly how I would pronounce it. The English pronounciation "left" for "lieu" is due to the interchangeability of "u" and "v", still current in the 16th century, and perhaps also to the fact that "leftenant" is easier for an Anglo-Saxon to pronounce. Anyway, if the Americans are so fond of "lieu", why don't they revert to "centre" as well, along with the French pronunciation?

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Well, "lieutenant" (French pronounciation) and "lieutenant" (American pronounciation) are not very similar to my ears either. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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