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D.S. Walter
 Post subject: Bloodiest Battles
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:25 am 
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In the last minutes of my Monmouth with Sgt. McClellan, I find that the total casualties for both sides combined are about 8,000 infantry, some cavalry, 12 guns, and an incredible 90 leaders. Seems pretty ghastly to me ... Does anyone recall a battle where the bloodshed was worse?

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Probably not worse, but I've had a pretty bloody battle at Monmouth where I encircled an entire British brigade and wiped them out with very little loss due to an excellent ambush. I've also had an increadibly bloody battle at Brandywine...I didn't save the stats though...

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Hi Dierk,

Most likely at Monmouth a good portion of men dropped dead from the heat. It was 96 at 9am, so at noon it had to be about 110-120. Not many fighting as one would expect with the huge armies there. I myself am not sure where the deadliest though. Lee pulled his troops back since it was not the British Rear Guard, but the entire army to trying save their baggage. This act save a lot of lives, though Washington condemned it. I'm sure Larry Davis can tell you more.



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I mean a club battle. Did anyone's losses, combined with his opponent's, in a single battle ever exceed 10,000?

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I very much recall one memorable contest of wills with a particular Yankee in which he suffered 10,000 casualties to my 1. Does that count sir?

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Dierk,

Um, I hate to tell you this.. but I have a Brandywine going with Ernie where we are sitting at about 7700 total casualities (IIRC), with about 10 turns to go...

I TOLD you that my gaming style (or lack thereof) seems to lead to these sorts of things.

However, considering that the armies at Brandywine are somewhat larger to begin with (nearly 26000 troops engaged as I recall), the proportion is rather lower.



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I think we might reach Dierk's 10000, before we are through. Hmmmm, what am I doing here, I should play the turn!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I should get to it, tonight or Saturday.

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Dierk,
I had more then 8.000 casaulties too, as I remember, in my Monmouth Battle vs. Al Amos. Most American<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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...yep that's right.

(He was able to take 6 guns before I could even move due to poor scenario design.)

Then he very expertly collected up my entire on board force. A very good effort on Stefen's part in deed. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

My two other bloody games were ... one Brandywine - where I was able to capture a large bundle of Brits, and the other was one a snowy Germantown field where again I captured many a British soldier.

Won the first lost the second.

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I am playing Monmouth, as the Americans. In this scenario, I tried to preserve as much of the forces as possible and fought a withdrawl, leaving NO Americans within range of the British. I was hoping my opponent would eagerly move through the tree lines and have all the British force off the cleared areas and easier prey. I had several nice traps set, but he didn't fall for it, at all!!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Right now, the bulk of the American troops are attacking the British along the entire British line. I think I have a decent chance of turning his left and penetrating the center, if I can pump those new troops into the line.

Actual casualities are relatively low, because of the American withdrawl: American=1338 and 10 leaders; British=801 and 1 leader. The Americans hold the center objective. We are in turn 35 of 48!!
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About 40, and 1 cannon of Lee's army are left I'll have you know <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


Edit Note: Wierd, this message got misposted.. it should be after Dierk's message, not before it
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The same with my last message. I posted AFTER Dierk; let's see where this one goes.

Note: Same thing. Dierk must be using <font color=red><b>STICKY NOTES!</font id=red></b><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Which leaves us with the interesting question whether Monmouth always ends with Lee's army being gobbled up by the Brits, unless the Brit player messes it up? 8,000 vs. 4,000, a regiment of dragoons vs. no cavalry at all, seems a foregone conclusion. It certainly was in our battle. I don't think more than 10 men of Lee's army are free and alive to tell the tale.

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Gary McClellan
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Well, the slaughter is over. Now, Dierk, despite his appaling fashion sense (red coat and white crossbelts.. yuck! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> is a gentlemen, so he didn't tell the entire story, that the vast majority of those losses were of our blue coated heros.

Just FYI here is the final count, ugly as it may be.

US Losses
Infantry 5856
Guns 11
Leaders 86 (yes, that's what I said)

British
Infantry: 2966
Cav: 102
Guns: 1
Leaders 7

Sum total
Infantry: 8822
Cav 102
Guns 12
Leaders 93

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Crossbelts?? When you have you ever seen an officer of H.M. wear crossbelts! They are for the enlisted ranks! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Thanks for a challenging and enjoyable game, Gary. You really managed to keep it interesting to the very last moment, and btw, in turn 48 you were about to break my line for good, only the end of the scenario saved me.

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