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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 5:05 am 
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A really interesting article from the New York Times today. Its in the Metro section so many outside of New York may not see this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/nyregion/16PRES.html

The First Presbyterian Church in Greenwich Village discovered two sermons dating from January and July 1776. Very pro-colonist. Interesting reading!

I wonder is these stirring words will influence my choice of army. *hmmm*


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Defeatist rubbish, Sir. Even from the pulpit, <font color="red"><font size="4">sedition rings</font id="red"></font id="size4"> "Let a spirit of patriotism fire your breath," ; "Many have already dressed themselves in military array and taken the field, choosing rather to risk their lives in the cause of liberty, than to resign their privilege and live in slavery," Preaching rebellion against your true and noble King is treasonous, indeed.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:01 am 
Note: you must be a NY Times online subscriber to read the article. Perhaps you could post the sermons somewhere for us to see? They certainly cannot be under copyright any longer.


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Bill,

You simply have to register with the NYTimes site; its completely free. It doesn't even generate a ton of spam (or any, from I've experienced). You just pick a username and password and answer a marketing survey. I always lie outrageously to mess with them ;-).

But here is an excerpt from Rev. John Rodgers' sermon of Jan. 14, 1776
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Let me desire you to look round and consider the alarming state our country is in and what need you will have of an interest in your favor of God, to go through the trying scenes that may be before you. We are involved in the calamities of a civil war and what will be the issue and [illegible] this unhappy struggle, God only knows. Our countrymen have already been called to bleed in her cause and sacrifice their lives in her service, and how much more blood must be shed before the contest is at an end is to us unknown.
Our ancestors, animated with an heroic spirit, encountered adversity and danger to have this land, our happy asylum, their posterity.
Our rights are now invaded and your country's cause now looks up to her free-born sons for guardianship and protection. Many have already dressed themselves in military array and taken the field, choosing rather to risk their lives in the cause of liberty, than to resign their privilege and live in slavery. Still there is call for more to engage in the cause and there risk themselves for action against any enemy.
Let a spirit of patriotism fire your breath and engage you, to put on the honor for your country and the cities of our God. Let a spirit of incurring cowardice be banished from your boosome, and let the love of your country, your privilege, your temporal, all animate you to distinguish yourselves for the good of this land.
When you are invited voluntarily to enlist in service, as you will be on the ensuing day, show that you have the spirit of Englishmen and are ready to take the field and jeopard your lives for your inestimable privileges. And while you are learning the military act, and preparing for the field, prepare for the day of death. The present season may be the only one you ever will have therefore.


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Corey Todaro</i>
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I wonder is these stirring words will influence my choice of army. *hmmm*
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So Tony, can we expect you to bear a patriot standard in the near future. Turn not your back on the sacrifice of our forefathers, and defend the freedoms and privileges we hold dear.

A posting to the Continental Army, or perhaps a local militia awaits!

We will gladly pay your bounty next Tuesday.[;)]


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Mike,

I'm afraid that the rabid, seditious barking of Rev. Rodgers has dissuaded me from the insurrectionists' cause. In these uncertain times it behooves me, and all right-thinking men, to strive to return law and order to this part of our majesty's realm. Therefore I have enrolled in the our Majesty's military services [:D]

I'm am about to begin my basic training ... but afterwards ... [}:)]

Corey Todaro, Loyalist


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They shoot Tories, don't they? [:0]

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:42 pm 
Corey, Sorry - got it mixed up with the tax collecting London Times site which DOES ask for a donation annually (or you dont get to view their paper). Typically British!

Some humorous notes:
1. Yearly the British debate how much to charge the colonists (via their Rothschild/Morgan controlled central bank called the Federal Reserve) for the national debt. One minister says to charge them alot while another says be lenient. When the one pleading for alot has to plead his case he simply says it is war debts incurred by the Colonists AS IF THEY HAD LOST THE WAR!

2. A poll was taken in England - should the Colonists be allowed to attend rugby games in London when they come over for the annual vacation? (Europeans call it Holiday of course) The answer came back YES! They can make sure that the ball doesnt get muddy!

3. What is the difference between an English Barrister and an American Lawyer? The Barrister knows the law, the Attorney milks the law!

4. How do tax collectors in England and the US differ on collecting taxes from tax dodgers? One follows up with armed forces while the other brings the guns on their person!

5. When do English Tax Collectors have the rightaway on a turnpike? When they approach a toll booth!

6. Which would you trust with your 16 year old daughter - a tax collector or a lawyer? You make the choice!

7. Stop paying taxes or die! Slogan seen in a nearby town where inflation reached 30 percent but raises were frozen for a year.

Finally,

8. Why does the US Post Office object to email? Because the only thing they deliver nowadays is junk mail!


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