Colonial Campaigns Club (CCC)

Please join us in reading the first edition of "The Open Door" - http://choctaws1.homestead.com/irregulars.html - the new quarterly newsletter for the IA.

Nice looking edition!

Why the name "Open Door"? Maybe "Open teepee flap" or "How to keep them from looking when the Breechcloth flaps".[}:)]

Or some other more recognizable name: " The Tomahawk" "The Scalped Warrior" "Mohawk with a Mohawk" " The Coup de grace" " The Eagles Nest" [?]

"The Open Mouth"? [:o)]

We were thinking "The Generous Huron", but you beat us to the punch..[8D]

"The Merciful Redstick"? [:p]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by D.S. Walter</i>
<br />"The Merciful Redstick"? [:p]
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Good one Dierk. You are probably one of the few people in the club who know what a Redstick is..[;)]

Redstick was a common name for Indians, in general.

There also was the "Redstick War" part of Andrew Jacksons campaign and it involved the Muskogee Indians (and others, commonly called Creek Indians) and the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, in Alabama, Mar 27, 1814. Jacksons force consisted of Tennesee Volunteers, Cherokee and Choctaws and some state and Federal troops.( And the legendary Davy Crockett) This preceeded the Battle of New Orleans. Prior to Horseshoe Bend, the Muskogee fought at Burnt Corn Creek and Fort Mims.

There was nothing "merciful" about Jackson campaign. Jackson earned the name "Sharp Knife" for his allowing the treatment of the dead and dying.

Here's the follow-up though Ernie. Explain the origin of "Redstick"?

Nicely done on the first one by the way. I misjudged you. You can probably tell the difference between a porcupine and a bison afterall..[:D]

It is a Muscogee term for warrior. The warriors carried a "red stick" as a sign of their courags and ferocity. It was worn around the neck.

Early Muscogee society had White or peace towns and Red or Warrior towns, responsible for warfare and protection.

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<br />Here's the follow-up though Ernie. Explain the origin of "Redstick"?

Nicely done on the first one by the way. I misjudged you. You can probably tell the difference between a porcupine and a bison afterall..[:D]
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Uhmm....one of them has quills doesn't it?

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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Scott</i>
<br />Here's the follow-up though Ernie. Explain the origin of "Redstick"?

Nicely done on the first one by the way. I misjudged you. You can probably tell the difference between a porcupine and a bison afterall..[:D]
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Uhmm....one of them has quills doesn't it?
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Excellent Mr Nelms. I can tell you were one of the brainiacs who was heavily involved in renaming the British Tavern[:p] My porcupine comment was a reference to a prior post with Gen Sands and speaking of the good General.
That's pretty darn close on the Redstick issue, and I will have to give you the bonus points even though there are some minor nits. Creeks didnt refer to each other as Redsticks. In a tribal council. if the leadership was voting to go to war or not, they would select a redstick or a whitestick. You are correct, white was generally the color of peace. The Red/white towns is not quite right. The Muscogee were actually a confederation of several tribes and these tribes were usually built along creeks and rivers. The whiteman came up with the word Creek to descibe this society. So within close proximity you might have a town of Alibamo and Hillabee and even a Shawnee town, Any of which could have opted to go to war with an enemy(probably the Choctaw) or not. So you could have some towns being redsticks, or those at war. They were not responsible for warfare and protection, a "whitestick"town could certainly defend itself if it had to.

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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nelmsm</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Scott</i>
<br />Here's the follow-up though Ernie. Explain the origin of "Redstick"?

Nicely done on the first one by the way. I misjudged you. You can probably tell the difference between a porcupine and a bison afterall..[:D]
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Uhmm....one of them has quills doesn't it?
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Excellent Mr Nelms. I can tell you were one of the brainiacs who was heavily involved in renaming the British Tavern[:p] My porcupine comment was a reference to a prior post with Gen Sands and speaking of the good General.
That's pretty darn close on the Redstick issue, and I will have to give you the bonus points even though there are some minor nits. Creeks didnt refer to each other as Redsticks. In a tribal council. if the leadership was voting to go to war or not, they would select a redstick or a whitestick. You are correct, white was generally the color of peace. The Red/white towns is not quite right. The Muscogee were actually a confederation of several tribes and these tribes were usually built along creeks and rivers. The whiteman came up with the word Creek to descibe this society. So within close proximity you might have a town of Alibamo and Hillabee and even a Shawnee town, Any of which could have opted to go to war with an enemy(probably the Choctaw) or not. So you could have some towns being redsticks, or those at war. They were not responsible for warfare and protection, a "whitestick"town could certainly defend itself if it had to.

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Actually the only thing I'm heavily into at the Generous Briton is debt as the barkeep has been quite generous with a tab. Now then I'm guessing, from your tone, that you are wearing a loincloth made from the one with quills and you put it on backwards this day. [:o)]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nelmsm</i>
Now then I'm guessing, from your tone, that you are wearing a loincloth made from the one with quills and you put it on backwards this day. [:o)]
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You don't say! The quills should be on the <u>outside</u>? [:0]

I am sure that's news to the Indian fashion world. [:p]

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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nelmsm</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Scott</i>
<br />Here's the follow-up though Ernie. Explain the origin of "Redstick"?

Nicely done on the first one by the way. I misjudged you. You can probably tell the difference between a porcupine and a bison afterall..[:D]
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Uhmm....one of them has quills doesn't it?
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Excellent Mr Nelms. I can tell you were one of the brainiacs who was heavily involved in renaming the British Tavern[:p] My porcupine comment was a reference to a prior post with Gen Sands and speaking of the good General.
That's pretty darn close on the Redstick issue, and I will have to give you the bonus points even though there are some minor nits. Creeks didnt refer to each other as Redsticks. In a tribal council. if the leadership was voting to go to war or not, they would select a redstick or a whitestick. You are correct, white was generally the color of peace. The Red/white towns is not quite right. The Muscogee were actually a confederation of several tribes and these tribes were usually built along creeks and rivers. The whiteman came up with the word Creek to descibe this society. So within close proximity you might have a town of Alibamo and Hillabee and even a Shawnee town, Any of which could have opted to go to war with an enemy(probably the Choctaw) or not. So you could have some towns being redsticks, or those at war. They were not responsible for warfare and protection, a "whitestick"town could certainly defend itself if it had to.

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Actually the only thing I'm heavily into at the Generous Briton is debt as the barkeep has been quite generous with a tab. Now then I'm guessing, from your tone, that you are wearing a loincloth made from the one with quills and you put it on backwards this day. [:o)]
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No sir, that's the problem with posts, you can't easily decipher mood. All done in jest with no foul intent. Just getting my jabs in with the Brits where we can. Good luck with the bartab, once you get behind it's hard to catch up, although Dierk and his minions are proficient at collecting are they not..eh what[;)]

And that is the way I took it, just like to jab back. [:p]