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[No fanatic morale please! The American army rarely fought in the same sense as the Russians at Borodino or Smolensk.

I would prefer to see the Americans RALLY as they did in the old Squad Leader game. They break easy but rally faster.

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Bill that was a "reverse golden morale" I meant call it the "Leaden Morale". They would rout easily, rally normally per their quality/leader quality. (If I understand it correctly the golden morale only effects the morale check not the rally check, but I may be way off base. It seems that the Russians, once routed, stay that way for a good period of time.)

First, too many militia seem to be equipped with rifles - in historical battles this should only be the case when supported by clear evidence.

"Rifles effect" ought to be modified - made less effective so as to be a viable optional rule (although I have - rather incredibly - managed to win at least one Major Victory when faced by it), and given to Tory & Canadian as well as Rebel militia.

The extended line formation is almost certainly too powerful a formation - so I don't feel that militia should continue to count as effectively low morale light infantry. I'd suggest the following:-

1./ Militia ought to have some chance of becoming disordered when moving in X formation.
2./ Militia should be liable to become disordered/rout or even lose stragglers <b>whenever</b> they come under fire - even when they don't actually suffer any casualties.
3./ A morale check whenever militia change formation also seems sensible.
4./ <b>When deployed in X line, Militia should be more liable to rout & lose stragglers than if in column or regular line formation, since - when dispersed - each militiaman becomes more of an individual (ie. not part of a unit under the control and close supervision of officers) and so is more likely to break and run when under threat.</b>

In this way, the staying power and combat effectiveness of X formation militia units will be reduced to a realistic level and there will be some incentive for players to deploy militia in regular line to give them greater staying power. Of course, if they performed well in a particular battle, they could be given C or even B rating, or perhaps occasionally even reclassifed as light infantry. However, in some instances, militia ought to count as low quality regulars, and so would be unable to form X line.

Lt.Rich White
28th North Glos Rgt
Right Wing, British Army 1776

I think it goes without saying that the games (meaning all of John's) need for the Victory Points to be adjusted so that better troops (Morale A British or American Troops) are worth more VPs while those of the lesser sort (Tory and American militia) are worth less for VPs.
Hoping that this could some day become a reality.

Rich White,

Your suggestions all require engine changes. By switching militia to line for the vast majority and then only assinging light status to those units in those battles where they did fight in X order manner players and designers can make the change.

That was one of Rich Hamilton's underlying thoughts (if unstated), how can militia be modified WITHOUT requiring an engine change.

The militia in the south during the 2nd half of the AWI was a different story than that in the north early on.
General Greene remarked that his army was mostly British deserters while the British army facing him was made up of American deserters.
Most of the battles in the south occurred in the latter part of the war, so both sides had experienced officers and men. For most of the scenarios 1778 on, I believe the ratings should be "C" for the majority of units. The rank and file by this time were more
experienced and armed, and the here-to-fore specialised units were not
much better than the "hatmen" in quality.
Officers complained of the quality of the replacements they got for even specialized troops such as the jagers. Militia should have some bayonets, but not all. More militia in the south had rifles. Cowpens had several militia units armed with rifles, who were told by Morgan to deliberately aim at officers... the one time this was actually documented (RF on). For most of the later war battles more units should be rated as lights as the tactics had changed considerably by then.

Larry touches on a very good point. It was very long war, and not monolithic. Armies evolved, units improved or deteriorated as time passed.

The war was more than Concord, Lexington and Bunker Hill. A stylized oob or unit type for the entire conflict is inadequate to cover the topic properly. Each battle or campaign needs to be approached separately, independently researched and, if need be, unique oobs and PDT files. With this approach the game can be a good learning tool for players to see how the opposing forces reacted to each other throughout the war.

Sirs,

Another issue the Continental Congress faces on the Militia question is whether a proposal as to requiring the Militia to wear matching uniforms be adopted.

Your Obdt,
Ens. Gremmels

Any guesses as to what movie this came from?

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<br />Sirs,

Another issue the Continental Congress faces on the Militia question is whether a proposal as to requiring the Militia to wear matching uniforms be adopted.

Your Obdt,
Ens. Gremmels

Any guesses as to what movie this came from?


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Im guessing "1776" the Musical

Scott, your right.

I love that movie. They have just come out with a digital remastered DVD version of the movie with enhanced soundtrack to take advantage of the home theater. A must buy.

Tom,
You know where I can get the new version of "1776" DVD?

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<br />Tom,
You know where I can get the new version of "1776" DVD?
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'Franklin, Wake Up! Your going to New Brunswick.'

'The hell I am. What for?'

'The whoring and the drinking of course.'

Just another quote from this great movie. I saw the DVD on Amazon.com.

Gents,

Just for the record, I will be changing ALL Militia in the 1812 game to Infantry in the next patch. Their quality will remain the same, so they should be alot more fragile.

I won't be messing with 1776 at this time, but I have shared some comments with John...so I'm not sure what he will do.

Regards,

Rich

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<br />Just for the record, I will be changing ALL Militia in the 1812 game to Infantry in the next patch. Their quality will remain the same, so they should be alot more fragile.

I won't be messing with 1776 at this time, but I have shared some comments with John...so I'm not sure what he will do.

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As it should be. Militia in 1812-1814 and Militia 1775-1783 are two different animals.

Rich,

Excellent!!

Gee, when I finally begin to figure out how to use milita and rifles... *L*

Note to self: North Point is a "don't play" scn for me from now on[8)]