Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Salute!

For the record (as there are actually no records on public display that I can find) how are the CiC's chosen for their positions in the respective Club armies?

I have never seen this topic covered in the current club rules (which just might be a motivating factor for the elections of said position in the Revised Club Rules).

I know I was never asked about the important decision of who would be the next CiC of LGA when the former leader resigned from the position.

I was simply informed who it was going to be.

Was the current CiC handpicked by his predecessor?

Was there a meeting of the Council of 300 Super Secret Club Members (this is only a humorous reference to the discrepancy of Club Memberships as found when comparing the totals found on the front Club web page - 202, and the number at the bottom of the Forum Board Index page - which lists 524... I am presuming these extra 322 members are the ones actually running the show behind the curtain - or maybe provide proof in the pudding to the claims of multiple memberships on the prowl?)... who made this decision for me?

Without any guidelines covering this to be found in the Club Rules or the LGA by-laws which I cannot actually find either (and I've looked, I went back to the 1st page of 35 total in my file that includes all general NWC email sent/received during my several years in the club)- I must presume that the CiC serves in the position at the consent of the officers he leads.

I don't know the by-laws of the Coalition armies - but I'm told on good authority that there are none there either, and will therefore presume that their CiC serves at the consent of his officers as well.

I put the question to any member of the club to clarify the issue I have raised here - as to how a CiC is chosen, and the rules that govern this process?

If no such rules exist, we can then have a discussion about consent.

Regards,

A fair question Todd. I had thought we had elected ours but I have been corrected, that was not the case. So I imagine it was a decision of a few people, perhaps the Cabinent appoints them. I would prefer to see them elected going forward. Do we need to have some "special elections" for all of them?

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

I DON'T PLAY WITH ROUT LIMITING OR NME OFF

Just look at how it was done the last time we had a change of command on the French side:

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

I think it is the intend of the new rules to which everybody seems to agree (I think, there was no controversy on that part of the new rules).

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

If we have to elect new Army Commanders who running?????

I have been in the LGA since 2001.

for mot of that time there where 2 armies ( AdN and AdR ) each with it's own CinC.

these 2 armies generally promoted from within and succession was pretty smooth and a good
group of guys commanded over the years.

The overall CinC was selected from a current AdN or AdR commander.

Process was painless and smooth.

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The Coalition at Marco's time was pretty simple too. Gary McClellan stepped down, I was already on the Cabinet from the Prussian side, Eugene Gulyaev was already on it for the Russians and Marco being the AAA AC was asked to join and he accepted.....

By the way, to note, the link at the forum header for the National Assembly is broke:

http://www.wargame.ch/wc/nwc/Club%20Web ... abinet.htm

This now appears on the Club page:

http://www.wargame.ch/wc/nwc/Club%20Web ... abinet.htm

Notice the lower case & upper case c's at the ends of the links. Someone edited the page, but doesn't know how to edit the header....also someone assumed the rules et al and also that they changed the Cabinet forum password, probably in preparation for a vote to get one of their "own" people in.....

This is the same stuff that people complained about years ago that was supposed to "change" when this new group came to power.

All I got to say is this Club is becoming more useless by the day......like I said before in another post, less than 130 members in 3-4 years and I bet it takes less....

I don't know anything about the cabinet forum password being changed, but it should be. A member resigned from the cabinet. They should no longer have access, nor should anyone that is not a member of the cabinet. I don't know what they talk about in there. I don't want to know what they talk about in there.

As for the voting of a new CiC, I would say if the new rules pass (or at least the section about voting on CiC's going forward), we should have a vote right away on the Allied side instead of waiting until September since our CiC resigned. Unless he is going to take up his post again, I don't see any reason not to let people throw their hat in the ring and have a vote. It would seem silly to remain rudderless until September.

Marco was making plans to come back after the vote in case anyone is interested, not that it matters anyway, as it seems people who want their way will get it no matter the cost.....like I said, becoming a pointless place to be a part of.

In fact the day John Corbin is ousted as French CiC, I'm leaving too. The friends I play, I can game with at the Blitz.....plus I also want to say the majority of my years here were spent during the heyday and not the decline....

Scott,

I still have hope. At the end, the club needs volunteers, elected or not, in approval of the Cabinet or not.

For me, the most important is to have a French Army (because I am a member of it) and a coalition of Monarchies to fight against

There is one thing I don't want, I don't want my club to become the Blitz, I have been shortly a member of it (on the PzC side) and I have to say that during that time I missed the armies system, the friendly fights of our tavern.

But like you and certainly many of us, I am tired of those fights that at the end only split apart members of the club. We said what we had to, let's hope that it won't end with a witch hunt (even if it's starting to look like one).
This new process was supposed to unit us all on the road to progress and I think there will be a lot to do to get there. The election won't be enough.

I have read somewhere that you can measure a real democracy not by its electoral process but by the way it can handle the shift of power.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Salute!

Wow, talk about raining on the parade...

Course, not sure what parade, but it feels like there is a parade somewhere, and it is definitely raining...

I thought for a moment I was in the Silly if You Think About It thread...

Regards,

Salute!

Okay, definitely not in the Silly if you think about it thread.

Scott, you write: not that it matters anyway, as it seems people who want their way will get it no matter the cost... and... In fact the day John Corbin is ousted as French CiC, I'm leaving too.

Are you farcasting future elections?

It sounds like you equate the club members voting for their leadership as ousting them?
I thought it was called an election.

I also find this very interesting... The Coalition at Marco's time was pretty simple too. Gary McClellan stepped down, I was already on the Cabinet from the Prussian side, Eugene Gulyaev was already on it for the Russians and Marco being the AAA AC was asked to join and he accepted.....

Should I understand this as the Cabinet asked someone to assume an army position?
I mean... the Cabinet involving itself in an individual Club army?

Regards,

Well, I was there when it happens, so this is simply to inform you about the real story.

The Austrian Commander, Gary, stepped down as CiC because he didn't had the time any more. You guys have no idea what time it takes to be a CiC. It was simply custom, right from 1998 onwards, that an other army commander would step in and take the position of CiC.

There was nobody willing to do it. Including myself.

So it was only after several weeks, and on request of the cabinet, that I finally decided to do it, but only temporarily.

I did this because of the NWC as a club. I am a member of the club almost from the start, and I could not let it down.

And with regards to elections; do not forget that it was my idea to include them in the club rules. As soon as an enthusiast Allied officer with loads of time steps up to take over the CiC I have no problem at all to step down.

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Everyone has things they like about each place. I like the armies & taverns too, guess that kind of why I came back. But I like the Blitz too as it is just pure gaming.

I will say something though, Bill Peters has said multiple times that the best things he did for making himself happier was to quit all the Clubs. Bill, despite a lot of personal challenges, has a much different tune to him today. He is on to something. I will say the two & half months I was away from here this past fall were really enjoyable, I will admit a part of me was missing by not being here, but sometimes I wonder why I came back too. It ultimately was for some of the guys I liked over the years. But I discover a bit more as time goes on that I can find these guys elsewhere too.

It all stems back to last year when I decided & tried to remove a lot of things from my life that weren't worth dealing with, places, people et al. One of the main reasons why I quit being an admin here back then. My lady comes home every night from the hospital ICU she works and tells me about the many conditions & illnesses people have et al and all the terrible things people go through and often end up not making it. It is her way of unwinding, but it is my way of hearing what can happen to anyone at anytime in their life. It starts to have an impact after a while and you start to try to change yourself and do more things that have meaning and matter. Things that make you happy too....

The two months I was gone, I got involved in other things head on. I even got into my roleplay world again that I have been a part of for almost 10 years. You want a creative outlet, these guys are pretty cool for it. A lot of fun & a lot of flexibility. After a long day at work and then hearing about her day, often that's all I want and those guys deliver. Why?? Because the admins make it that way....they make it a priority. One major rule they use to keep flaming and trolling down to basically nothing no real life politics et al, only RP story line. There about 7 of us there these days and we do a lot more than a lot of other places I've seen on the internet......then there are the other two Clubs, but I won't moan on about them.

I think I should rethink what I thought last year. Everyone is different and everyone has what matters to them. I thought about running for a Cabinet spot this coming, year, but really, that would just be more headaches and annoyance. No, best to disengage and withdraw....just watch and not partake. After all it will all just be a cycle of elections & campaigns....

A bit of thread necromancy here, but if anyone is interested enough in club history, I can at least speak to how I was "chosen" for the position.

The short form is that Muddy had decided to step down after his turn in the hot seat, and the commanders of the allied armies had a discussion about who should replace him. At the time, the Russians were pretty much off doing their own thing (and their Commander disappeared not too long after.) Otherwise, it was Stephan Reuter (Prussian) and myself, and then I believe Muddy was still A-A Commander at the time (not 100% on that.) We originally settled on a simple system:

Each Coalition Commander would serve 1 year as the C in C, rotating to another one at the end of that year. I was willing to take the spot first, and so became the Allied C in C.

Oddly enough, when my year was up, and I tried to pass it along... none of the others were willing to take it. So, I ended up on the Cabinet for a very long time (I forget just how long.)

Note however, that in those times, the Allied C-in-C was not seen as the "commander" of the Coalition Armies, but simply as their Cabinet Voice. I did end up having to find a new command staff for the Russians when the old ones flat out disappeared, but otherwise, did not touch their internal operations.

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Feldmarschall Freiherr Gary McClellan
IR44
Portner Grenadier Battalion
Austrian Army

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