Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

I am seeing more clearly what you are saying now. If people want to form formations of like minded folks who want to team together, then they should approach their respective army commanders and propose such.

There will still need to be accountable commanders within those who just want to game, but those commanders can be ones who don't want to be that involved with their men, as those men won't want to be bothered too much.

It would work as long as the resources are there for it.

Kind of in a non-intentional way, I think I created that in the Prussians between our two Corps'.

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

(read your last post while composing this one. Yes, we are starting to understand one another better).
No, I'm not trying to deny promotion per say, just change your assignment with promotion. General of Brigade (with assigned duties), or Baron, without duties. Where is the denial of promotion? The higher you climb, as the leader of a group or team of players you are named appropriate position of command, be it General of Brigade, Division, Corps. And if not accepting such responsibilities, that is merely reflected in the title of Baron, Count, Duke, etc. Everyone get's their title and rank.
I simply believe that there are easy ways to incorporate the best of all worlds, allowing everyone to enjoy the experience of this wonderful club to it's and their fullest.

Caveat: do not read this as having anything to do with restructuring the NWC. It is just my feelings on how clubs should be organized if they have anything to do with a rank system.

And frankly if you look over my system the guys that move through the ranks end up in a Honor Guard formation - there will always be room in the middle to top command ranks as folks after a couple of years of it will want out of command. They will have done their part and can go on happily to just playing games and give the odd comment or two to the army leaders as needed. Offer to train a new member and that kind of thing.

I doubt if the Cabinet and the members HERE would ever go for this system - some folks do not want to start over and that basically is what you would have to do to satisfy this ...

So lets not lose our cool on this one please. Its not a suggestion to modify the NWC. Just an idea for ranks based on a well rounded approach to any club.

Without leaders this club or any other folds. I am thinking of one right now that has virtually zero leadership except for about four guys. I mean even the division leaders are not doing much. Ok - you have your players - but the club is dead. Why? Because its not about players - its about leaders motivating the club to move ahead. And yes, new games help too but funny enough that club has plenty of new titles that have been added. If anything that are bloated with titles. So its not a "where is the newest John Tiller game" problem.

You have to have leaders. Guys like Chuck, Mark, Scott, John, etc.

Without them the club vanishes.

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Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Prinz Peters von Dennewitz

3. Husaren-Regiment, Reserve-Kavallerie, Preußischen Armee-Korps

Honarary CO of Garde-Ulanen Regiment, Garde-Grenadier Kavallerie

NWC Founding Member

For Club Games: I prefer the Single Phase mode of play. I prefer to play with the following options OFF:

MDF, VP4LC, NRO, MTD, CMR, PR, MIM, NDM, OMR (ver 4.07)

Personally I would be more than happy to revert to a Lt and just play games. You can't force a square peg into a round hole. I like to play games, I do the other stuff when I am asked but am not really fond of it.

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

I DON'T PLAY WITH ROUT LIMITING OR NME OFF

If someone wants to form a group of like minded gamers, they should certainly approach their commander. I generally hand selected officers to be in Bill's unit. Ones I knew would be responsive to his command style. Are there others in the Prussians who might want to be in that type of setting, I am sure there are. I should actually probably poll my officers for such a thing.

If you style it where you an the "involved" Corps and then the "casual gamer" Corps, you have people who can accept commands and move up the ranks with people who like that style. That would be an acceptable way for me, but pinning ranks to command and then having just titles for others is not what I agree with.

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

Todd

If you ae having communication issues with in the French army, plede get in touch with chuck or I and we discuss it.

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Marechal Corbin, Salute!
I am not intending to voice overblown complaints here, i'm simply trying to offer ideas towards the topic under discussion, and some reasoning for considering making adaptations to how things are currently constructed.
As Bill said above, this club has excellent administrators, and I have been helped often by several of them, including our President who resolved an unsatisfactory battle situation with the greatest of ease, Bill himself in regards to Leipzig scenario issues.
I have also enjoyed good interactions with Marechal Jensen regarding unit formations, etc.
This is I believe an awesome club that provides so much fun and pleasure, playing the games, and interacting with so many people from all over the world.
But I also feel that any club, or organism should always be open to change, or evolution if you will.
Thank you for your consideration in these and all matters, sir!

Rankings should indicate success in battle as well as experience. I think there is enough freedom to form teams, as is. I pay little attention to nobility rankings.

How about separate Staff rankings to reward the vital administrative tasks performed by those that do it?

Brevet ranks while holding an administrative postion! Let's make it complicated as possible, that's realistic.

LOL

Bravo Al.

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Field Marshal Sir Edward Blackburn, 1st Duke of Aberdeen K.G.
85th (Buck's Light Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
16th British Brigade
7th Division
III (Peninsular) Corps
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards

I DON'T PLAY WITH ROUT LIMITING OR NME OFF

In the M&CGC we have Nobility ranks which are awarded to folks that help the club. Thus the folks that just play battles will get nobility ranks slower than those that help the club out. Its out way of showing appreciation for those that make the club happen (or should I say for now - DID happen).

Three clubs have automated systems and yet that that still didn't seem to help the problem with admin work. I liked Al's proposal some time back - a club on the internet where you just go to a forum and advertise for a game or stop to shoot the breeze. ANY computer game that a historical club could play to include Paul Brunfel's Ancient series to the Modern Battles series and anything in between.

No points - just play games for fun. The old Talonsoft forum was like that. Frankly I liked that best.

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Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Prinz Peters von Dennewitz

3. Husaren-Regiment, Reserve-Kavallerie, Preußischen Armee-Korps

Honarary CO of Garde-Ulanen Regiment, Garde-Grenadier Kavallerie

NWC Founding Member

For Club Games: I prefer the Single Phase mode of play. I prefer to play with the following options OFF:

MDF, VP4LC, NRO, MTD, CMR, PR, MIM, NDM, OMR (ver 4.07)

In the French army as it currently stands it works like this

You need to take a brigade command to move beyond Colonel
You get extra points for taking command roles the higher the more points
The titles are awarded if you enter the imperial guard
To do so you much achieve certain VP's and points. Which have recently been made harder.
If you make the guard you can take a rank up to General. Marechal's must have commands.

I think its all about right actually. Sure commanders should probably participate more with their units but not everyone has time both to command properly or be commanded.

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Marechal Knox

Prince d'Austerlitz et Comte d'Argentan
Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur

"What is history but a fable agreed upon"

General Knox, Salute!
As you so aptly described it, not everyone has the time to command, or to be commanded.
Perhaps a solution can be found in the formation of provisional corps? L'Empereur was fond of creating such forces for an immediate task at hand during an active campaign, and were comprised of units borrowed from other corps. Maybe such a force could be created for such a purpose as discussed, when a group of players are looking for more interaction, between senior & junior officers, looking to better their skills in the game thru teamwork, etc. And to better be able to confront those Coalition brigades which already train and fight in such a manner.
Just a thought.

Lt perhaps so. I would love to be able to contribute more to this club to be honest, but with the realities of a terrible market and being self employed my energy more so than my time has its limits. Hence I am just a player. There are probably quite a few like me and plenty like you.
Not sure what the solution is but I do like the club as it stands actually.

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Marechal Knox

Prince d'Austerlitz et Comte d'Argentan
Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur

"What is history but a fable agreed upon"

Well I like to know how long a member has to be on the S list before he gets a jump in rank ?? Have I pissed any one off this year?????