Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

I have an idea I would like to share with the Cabinet and other fellow members-


Would it be totally out of the question( or is it reasonable?) to try requesting a marginal disscount or coupon code from Mr. Tiller at his online shop (or HPS?) on Downloads for Napoleonic games for NWC active members?

Lets say, members who have been aboard at least a year?
(Darn... I believe I have not reached my first year at the Club yet)

Or for members wich have Digitally Downloaded at least one or two games from them in the past?



That would make business sense, as those players like myself, wich currently own just 1 or 2 titles, would be more willing to get the whole catalogue if they throw us a small carrot-

And last but not least (Hmm hope I wrote that correctly)

It would be a great incentive for new players join and remain active at the NWC-
and If the Cabinet could make that happen, we would all be a happier club!

As the Club is almost exclusively focused on Tiller/HPS games I believe this would be a win/win for them both, and a way to show that they value our Club and us as customers and fellow wargamers.

Just my toughts (=


Saludos,

Primer Teniente
Fernando LopezGallo
Tiradores De Castilla
Brigada Española
The Anglo Allied Army

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I do not think that this topic is appropriate for the cabinet.

I think it best to address this to:
support@hpssims.com

And/or to:

http://johntillersoftware.com/Support.php

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

I remember when the games where only in CD format that you would get a deal if you were ordering a few games at once.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

WHY do you think this is innapropiate for the Cabinet Mr. Sands?

I thank you for your comment, but prefeer to hear how Mark feels about it.

What I do think, Is that the Cabinet should try advocating on behalf of club members dont you?

Regards,

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I think maybe the Cabinet could discuss finding someone to approach HPS/JTS to discuss the feasibility of such....I think that might be what Fernando is hinting at....

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Generalfeldmarschall Scott Kronprinz "Vorwärts" Ludwig von Preußen
Kommandeur des Königlich-Preußischen Armee-Korps
Chief of Staff (CoS) of the Allied Coalition
Allied Coalition Webmaster & Club Website Support

Why would not an individual approach HPS/JTS about deals? HPS/JTS, as stated earlier, had a 5 CD special for anyone to take advantage of.

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Ernie Sands
1ère Brigade of 2ème Division de Grosse Cavalerie, Réserve de Cavalerie
de la Grande Armée
President, Colonial Campaigns Club

Salute!

A very interesting conversation.

I think Fernando is perfectly correct to ask the Cabinet to look into a possible deal with JTS/HPS.
The power of a group is far greater than that of an individual.

This club is mentioned in the products, as a place to find people to play the games.

I'm not saying that HPS/JTS has to do this, but it is not a bad idea to approach them with it either.

And I would think that the Cabinet is the perfect mechanism for such an effort.
The Cabinet represents the club, and the original idea posed here was to make the point of the club membership's support of the game companies.

Of course, if the multi disc purchase discount is still in effect then we needn't really bother.

Regards,

I will be glad to ask Rich and/or John and see what they say. I need to get back with Rich anyway regarding my playtesting for him. I will need to drop over to the JTS site first and see what ongoing offers they already have underway. I will just make the suggestion and see what they say. The fellows that design these games put a whole lot of work into them for very little reward, as none of our wargame titles sell like the XBox 360 games.

I know Bill Peters was never getting rich off of his work. Barely getting by would be more the case, and then only because he was still single and did not have the huge expenses that accompany a family.

I will politely ask and see what they say, provided the Cabinet agrees with this action on behalf of the NWC. Let me consult with the Cabinet members and get back to you. It may be a couple of days before I can get their answers and, in any case, I am looking at an extremely long work day tomorrow myself.

Gentlemen,
Let's see well before we ask Golden Fish for the fulfillment of our wishes. What is our greatest wish, that we can this particular Golden Fish ask? Already there is a very real connection between us, as members of one of the wargamming club and developers of games that are being the subject of our interest. Thanks to the existence of this compound are measurable return, more or less, the advantages. The obvious issue is the profit made by the developers from the sale of these games. After all, they are not charities, and the solid of their existence, and thus creating next products, that means new games, is how they profit from offering us, but not only, their products. If that was not enough profit, they simply would cease operations, as many have made, is the best example of Talonsoft with his classic Battlegrounds. It is obvious, therefore, that our mutual existence is intimately linked - with the difference that without these games we would be just another forum for discussion of the Napoleonic Wars, and more besides (who is not lacking in the network), and without players buying these games developers would not be at all. What about our profits? - one might ask. Well, in my opinion are - primary and secondary. Our main profit, that is a great fun ( YEAH )in which we can participate. The degree of pleasure is determined individually, so I confine the recognition of the fact. Is that all? I do not think, we have the added benefit. All clubs such as ours have an excellent opportunity to become the primary source of opinions about these games. We can identify what needs to be improved, what solutions do not work, what we would like. (MORE!! ) Remains an open issue about the proper using of this benefit, there are in one place, I mean our club, so many players with the same interests. We are the direct recipients of these games, so we may want to focus more on developing the formulation of our expectations but not as individual players, which everyone can do right now, as well Ernie pointed out. We can based on our forum, and then by the Cabinet of the club lead to closer cooperation with such companies as even JTS. Such co-operation in some way already exists, such as through membership in the club of those responsible for creating games, like Bill Peters, but it's more their own initiative.

Whew, finally. Pssst, Bill, hey Bill. Yes you do. Have you read this post? Look, it might could be "arranged" a small discount for me, with John, huh? What? How did all this reading?! Oh no ... Mark, gentlemen, it is not so ... I just wanted to ...
(In the background you can hear the sound knockout door)
Wait! Gentlemen, what are you doing here?! What does that mean?! Who are you?! This is for what I wrote?! This is a mistake, a joke .... Hey, what is this, where are you taking me?! Are you sure you want me to put before a court martial ... Hey, what a kind of clothes is this ? What for are the long sleeves? Why confound me in this? Nah ...
Thank you.

This man is crazy.

Fortunately, I can relate to that.

Do not worry, Adam. Just because you are placed in front of a firing squad, it does not mean that they will always shoot you. Of course, the normal result is that they do actually shoot you, but it simply is not healthy to dwell on such thoughts.

Mark,
From the moment I have realized, that part of my personality is the same as Todd's one ( his post in OUR Tavern ) I have two faces and one of them force me to write this wrong part of my post. Wrong , I mean, the second, about my individual profit . Seriously, ( BTW, what does that mean ) the first part is really my opinion about it, so maybe it,s time to think about possible improvemnts for our toys on forum and send them in final form to JTS.

Pssst, Bill... John ... Are you there? Ok, ok I don't do this anymore, I promise... today.

Thank you all for your oppinions so far.

It is good to have these kind of constructive and useful discussions on the forums.

Special thanks to our Club´s President for his kind reply and involvement-
Im sure he will be able to bring us some good news on this issue soon.

My plea still stands.


To say it bluntly, As I can´t manage to be politically correct even If I try:

I do like HPS/JT games but they are almost the very same game each time-
just scenario, sprite and map changes each version.

I bought(downloaded) 3 Nappy games last month, and sadly none were HPS/JT
All I asked for, was a little from them to get a bit more from us.

As things currently stand and in my very personal oppinion I believe Leipzig and and Russia (the titles I own) offer pretty much what the engine can offer and with slight differences, they are almost the very same as the miriad other titles on their catalogue.

Thus, I cant say I feel quite inclined to purchase many more- Unless they cost less.

In lieu of that, I dont believe It is out of the question to try getting a slightly better pricing, wich as I previously stated, would be in the developers and players best interest.

And Ernie, about the NWC Cabinet involvement-

We are a Wargaming Club-
Since we are a club (community) of players, I dared ask for the involvement of our representatives to make a collective request on our behalf-

Makes perfect sense dont you think?

I hope this post manages to explain why I posted this tread and more players and members can contribute-


Saludos

Primer Teniente
Fernando LopezGallo
Tiradores De Castilla
Brigada Española
The Anglo Allied Army

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When you say "just" maybe you don't realize that scenario and map making is a very involving work if you want to re-create something historical.

A few years ago I was part of the team that made France '40 (Panzer Campaign Series from HPS) and it took most of my free time for more than a year. The historical research, the oob, the scenario design, etc. are time consuming.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

The cabinet may pursue this issue, but I would have to agree with General Guegan that developing these games in very time consuming and those working on them need to make a living as well. I have many Napoleonic games but i still like the HPS/JTS the best because they focus on the actual battles in detail. In actuality the Napoeonic games are not the most popular and most developers go where the big bucks are to be made. Looking into getting us a discount may be worth looking into and will update when we know more.

Battle On....

I agree with David's comments the price reflects peoples time doing research preparing scenarios etc etc. Also the game testers pretty much give their time for nothing and no one is getting rich from it I understand. Also JTS and HPS support their games with oingoing patches and bug fixes.

It's quite a massive process and the likes of Bill Peters in my opinion have pushed the games to a scholarly level you won't find elsewhere. These are not just games they are historical works and in my view the reason I far prefer them over the arcade like visually rich games on offer elsewhere.

Just my 5 cents. These things said though I had hoped Bautzen/Leipzig would have been one game but I suspect they were just too huge to integrate.

So I will purchase Bautzen soon. The speed the games have come out lately has been a double edged sword I guess. I do recall a while back Rich Hamilton would give members a discount if you bought several copies of the games at once. 5 games or similar, I can't recall exactly.

Salute!

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Marechal Knox

Prince d'Austerlitz et Comte d'Argentan
Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur

"What is history but a fable agreed upon"