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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:19 pm 
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Who is in command of the Prussian Armee?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:06 pm 
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Is there anyone ever really in command of a Prussian?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:18 pm 
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I thought it went to whomever could shout orders the loudest?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:40 pm 
Salute!

Hullo Cliff!
Good to see you in the forums, sir! :)

GeneralMajor Ian Hames is the commander of the Prussian Armee.

I believe you served together in our MP battle at Tongrinne! :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:55 am 
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There is effectively no Prussian Armee commandern or Generalstaff currently....the Coalition Command is working on a solution.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:57 am 
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Ian Hames is officially indeed the CO of the Prussian army.

And at this moment we are developing a system to help him with the daily management of the army. We might end up with a similar system as we have just implemented with the Austrian and Swedish army where some AAA officers are detached to these armies to manage it as long as there is no new (Austrian) team available to take over.

With the Prussian army it is perhaps just a website manager and a good chief of staff for the moment that does all the daily work.

To be continued and solved within one week or so.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:02 am 
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If anyone is in touch with Ian please have him email Marco.....he has not been heard from since mid-August despite multiple attempts by me and Dave Stotsenburgh to reach him....I assume he might be on holiday.....but there was discussion mentioned before the end of the Mandatory Muster that has me concerned otherwise.....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:08 am 
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Dear Scott,

First off please know this is not a note to start an argument. It is just my own observation.
I am not sure why the muster caused you such a concern. There has been no other members who complained about it from my recollection. I know that Dave Stotsenburgh was complaining but he is no longer in this club through his own decision. He made the decision to leave and it would also be his decision to return. The only issue is that he must follow the rules. To update the roles of all the armies is the correct thing to do. In any club, business or organized group, a “role call” is always done. If employees do not show up for work, they are removed from the payroll. So it is for all other organizations. Peoples interest in their hobbies change. The amount of time that one devotes to their hobbies varies greatly. We must remember that we are the ones who joined the group. We sought the club out and it is our job to follow what the leaders set out. We don’t have to agree with them, and we have the opportunity to voice our displeasure, but after voicing it we should let it go and move on.

The Cabinet voted to do the muster. Not just one person, but the entire Cabinet. Currently we only have one elected Cabinet member. That is the President. The rest are there due to their positions. Maybe the better way to have the members of the Cabinet are to have the rules amended to reflect not only the desires of the club for their choice of President, but to also have the desires of each Army, (French and Anglo-Allied) decide who they want representing them by election also. This might make the entire club more comfortable in how they are governed.

It seems that we waste so much time with petty and silly bickering that our energies are expended on trivial issues. If we exerted our energies to enhancing the club as a whole think of how much this club could offer.

One last comment, if we as members are not happy with the way things are going, we have the opportunity to step up and run for President. Since this is the only elected position at this time, this is our only choice of possibly having the chance at changing something we disagree with. No one stepped up and chose to run against our current President. Does that mean that everyone is completely happy with the job he is doing? Probably not, but it does invoke the feeling that most are happy the way the club is being run.

I personally would like to see the CiC of both armies be elected to that position. To this day I do not understand how any member can rise to that position even though they may be very well qualified. If I had my way, I would have the President and the two CiC’s of the armies be an elected position. Then each elected CiC could appoint a member of their choosing to the Cabinet. Will this ever happen, I don’t know, but anything is possible.

Guys, let’s work together to further the club, not bring issues up again and again that do nothing but waste time and energy. As I said, this is only one persons opinion.

My best to all,


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:24 am 
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Mandatory Muster was an unprecedented ruling made by the Cabinet and forced upon the members. It was not in the Club rules. Muster was traditionally handled by the armies and their rolls were maintained on their own. No club has ever instituted such a wide sweeping thing. Mark never agreed with how some of the armies managed their rolls, others I am sure did not too. Mark went unopposed, because I assume no one wanted to have to deal with the effort of running against him.

I personally have no issue per say, I reenlisted, but the damage it caused was pretty deep.

I want to say there is a lot and I mean A LOT that you and pretty much most Club members do not know about that has taken place over the last year. But the Club has been stripped of a lot of its membership and has lost 6 senior commanders, administrators and some webmasters due to arguments that have taken place.

Ian said he would quit if Dave was kicked out, even though according to current rules, Dave is considered active. I am concerned that is what he has done now.

I have vowed I wouldn't argue too much and I won't...the Club has been damaged enough. It'll never be what it once was.

I really don't feel like unloading all the emails I have of the insane crap that has gone on. That is why I have quit everything I do, unloaded all my duties and will never serve in a major command in this Club again.....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:27 am 
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Discussion closed....my stress level has been enough this week.....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:20 am 
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Cliff - I see you're on. Please DO NOT post.....please....let it go...its over.

Folks should understand how hard it is to currently be dismantling everything you and others have worked so hard for and loved for so many years. Regardless of people involved, I hold no true anger towards anyone. I only mourn all that are gone. The armies I ran have always had to fight for a spot in the Club in terms of popularity and involvement. We've always worked doing more with less. If they were to disappear, the Club wouldn't notice. We built a great program, worked hard for years, personally invested so much time and planning and rose from the dead over and over again. We took pride in who we were....its all lost now. It is like mourning the death of a beloved pet.....

On a side note, real life events have hit close to home. The shooting at the Washington Navy Yard struck a cord with because of how close to home it is, but also because I can see such a thing happening at my agency. Arguments like this mean bullcrap in life....this place means nothing compared to what is important in life and the power here is fake....

Life is too short, love those who matter....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:13 am 
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I was requested to close this topic by Scott Ludwig and did so yesterday. I have been challenged by other members to open it up once more. My reply concerns comments about Mandatory Muster.

I for one do not see the original basis of the NWC being dismantled, as Scott Ludwig so stated in his previous comment. I am sorry he feels that way. The armies within the coalition all have a place and should have pride in who they are and will always be a critical part of the NWC. Any officer can muster back in simply by following the procedure put in place by a unanimous vote of the cabinet. Which includes the CnC's of the Coalition Armies and the La Grande Armée.

While I play Maréchal Kling of the La Grande Armée and I am very proud of that. I am really only Al Kling a member of the NWC. So lets get back to having fun and hopefully disgruntled members will return. Many of those who did not muster I feel for the most part had moved on and we kept them on the books, but really were not there. The LGA has had some late members return and I am sure some of the other armies have had the same.

Please be keep personal attacks out of any further discussion and posts.


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Really?? Who challenged this....I asked for it to be locked because it just wasn't worth it and I was having an exceptionally terrible week so far and was tired of being baited in the forum.

Two points: My original mention of the Mandatory Muster, stated in "but there was discussion mentioned before the end of the Mandatory Muster that has me concerned otherwise...." was not a derogatory mention of it. It was merely a reference point in a conversation and was not meant to spark debate, but it did. Naturally the reference point has been mentioned by me in a further post, something I didn't want to originally expose. I was simply ok with leaving things at that post.

Other Point: I really wish before people put words in my or anyone's mouth or meaning to something said, ask what they mean......my comment on dismantling was certain things that are going to be changed that is going on via private conversation right now, for things I worked hard to get internally in the Prussian Armee years past and things that have been done for a long time are no longer going to be done or reversed.....it wasn't saying that the NWC at large is having a dismantling, though this year surely has altered a lot, it is still generally the same, though power & decision making has shifted greatly....but like I said power here is fake and pretend....its a make believe world.

A Third Point: As of last Fall, every member of the Combined-Austro-Prussian Swedish Army was mustered and considered active by the rules at the time. How do I know, they responded to my muster call directly via email. Gaming wasn't required, as real life gets in the way for a lot of folks and we don't want to loose touch with them if they express interest. Because we had a lot of casual gamers, who came here for games every now and then. Because I had friends form years ago that had busy lives but still wanted to be a part of things in case they get time. Because we were allowed to be a laid back force, but not anymore.....why did I do this. Because for almost 10 years I have done this. Because when I first started doing it, I took people off the list. Then the came back. I would hold out for so long, take them off and two months later they'd be back. It happened so much, that is wasn't worth doing the changing of website data all the time. I simply kept them on board and it was easier for everyone. We were a small enough army that I felt a close bond with them all. Got to know them, talk to them felt like we were a family. So I honored that.....but other people thought it was wrong....."If they aren't following all the rules to the letter of the law, they're gone!" Those people never managed large forces in 4 different Clubs for almost 10 years....but I respect their thoughts....

I actually proposed throwing all the Coalition forces into one uber army, like the French have, one commander, one website, one support staff, one medal system, a Corps for each power et al....a simple system for reduced numbers in the Club and a more consistent staff system. It was rejected. Which is fine, it was merely a suggestion.

I and I think quite a few others are growing really tired of the politics and when some of us say something off the script, we get a backlash.....this is probably why some folks who used to talk a lot on the forums do not.....

So can we just lock the topic & move on.....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:59 am 
I absolutely agree with Al's preceding statement, particularly the last line.

I fully expect all officers to behave in our forums as the gentlemen that they should be. These are publically viewed postings, by gamers who may be considering joining our club. Please try to keep your posts in a positive vein for the benefit of your fellow members, and our potential cadets.

And for the record, I am also a supporter of the One Coalition Army with National Corps concept proposed by Scott Ludwig. I see numerous benefits to that system, and it was actually something that I had been discussing with others prior to Scott's public voicing of the concept. It was Marco Bijl who rejected the idea and, as the Coaltion C-in-C, it is fully within his rights to do so. I personally support Scott Ludwig in this matter for whatever that is worth.


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As an aside, I don't think the two main armies really know what it is like to be in one of the 4 smaller armies. You have a lot of advantages in many ways. There is always a volunteer to help, there is often a support system....meanwhile at our end, we are lucky to have two people who can do admin. This last year was the closet I ever got to having a staff support me in a large way in what I was doing. Every time we got a key piece into place it fell a part....something happened and I had to draw up a new plan. Had we been left on our own, we would of come up with a workable system....

You French & Anglo's don't know how lucky you are and have been.

Btw - yes Mark your support is valued, a lot.... :)

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