Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

The truth is that I have been discussing these differences with Marco privately for a very long time now. Unless Marco forwarded these discussions to John, which I doubt, John was not aware that they had already occurred. Marco and I see some things quite differently, and on a very fundamental basis. It has been a most frustrating and exasperating experience. It is time for the membership to step forward and decide the issues by their majority vote. It is, after all, their club.

My actual intention was to suggest the publication of all of the Cabinet threads pertaining to our discussion, and vote, for each rules section. I am glad to see that John had the same thought himself. Marco's opinions were always solicited and all members were given an equal chance to discuss the issues before voting. I get very tired of all the "he said, she said" drama that is intentionally perpetrated by some of our members. I have no qualms about the members reading the actual text of our conversations and deciding the truth of the matter for themselves. There is, of course, a much bigger picture than just these Cabinet conversations, but the discussion of the Club Rules revisions is currently pertinent. In case many of you did not know or recall, I once offered to open the Cabinet up to every member of our club so they could read any of the proceedings first hand. I also advocated the establishment of the Cabinet Minutes. I would personally favor full disclosure of the actual facts.

I also fully agree with what I see that Cliff has just posted while I was composing this.

A pretty good summary of the situation Mark.

In light if the intention to publish the related threads, i will not post anything in Pierre's as any attempt to paraphrase/summarize could lead to misunderstandings.

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Very true.

Let's not forget what the club is all about.

A merry band of brothers.

Especially on the French side since we have Scott with us now.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

From my perspective I am not really that interested in the cabinet goings on. I would only comment that the coalition army is conspicuous by its absence in this tavern. Somewhat ironically this is the opposite of the old situation and this situation is a reflection on the coalition army leadership. To me these are facts which I cannot see any contention around.

Marco I suggest if you wish to withdraw from the cabinet you consider also giving up the post of CIC for the coalition to someone who can give the time needed. Which I for one have never been able to in any voluntary role so I fully understand the problem.

The French army has been reinvigorated by the new leadership it would seem it is time the same was done on the allied side.
It also seems to me keeping the office is irrelevant if you can't give the time it needs. This is the main reason I have never pursued such offices. I am just here for the battles.

Perhaps I am mistaken by my perceptions but these are my observations. My apologies in advance if they are inaccurate.
I don't know you Marco and your battle record is certainly impressive perhaps a focus on smashing some fresh opponents is more appropriate

With respect.

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Marechal Knox

Prince d'Austerlitz et Comte d'Argentan
Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur

"What is history but a fable agreed upon"

The disagreement between Marco and Mark is not the issue. the issue is change with the focus on giving members a say in who the CnC and cabinet members are going to lead the NWC. We have a chance to do that, and 4 out of 5 cabinet members see it that way. We have had our discussions in the cabinet and have already voted on most of the package, so once complete the members as whole will decide.

Once the changes are completed, the members can read them, vote yes or no. So the finale decision will ultimately be up to the membership of the armies and the club.

Discussion without everyone seeing the changes is pointless, so once posted them everyone can all make up their own mind.

Yes there will be winners and that will be the club membership as a whole! Each individual will have a say as to who manages the NWC and much more... Once posted the membership will actually be voting on the changes.

My time in the cabinet has not been all that long and if you wish to call it infighting it has only come to this in the last few weeks because one person does not want these changes put to a membership vote. The last time there was any infighting as Scott calls it had to do with a CnC kicking a member out of the club because he dared to question him. That particular member is still with us because of a 3 to 2 vote and has given the club many new game mods. Other than that negative discussions have been minimal at best. So do not get the impression that your cabinet members do nothing but argue, that is not the case and you could say four out of the 5 have had discussions without a lot of negativism. In fact in the rule changes some of which all 5 members input was used.

So once again I say, their will be winners and that will be the membership of the NWC whatever army you belong too!

So while you are waiting to read the changes and vote, play games, pick on each other in the forums and keep having fun. I am!

Regardless of what has happened, my hope is when these rules changes are done, we will get back to the usual.

My only concern is, though I support elections, is that its going to put a further strain on our limited volunteers to run & manage it, it might create more friction & forum blowups and also more needs for rules changes.

Not saying it is a bad idea. Let's see what is in the proposal first, but these are things that have gone on over the years at the ACWGC with their elections.

But for now I'm going to go cook for my ladies parent's wedding anniversary party and play games when I get home this week. I could care less, just hate to see things get ugly.

The volunteers are not complaining and in fact there are more in the wings getting ready to help. Once we work out the details things will be better, bottom line this is about teamwork and members working together. And all the members of the organization. Like I have been saying this discussion need to wait till the rule changes are posted, read and voted on!

Only one he has chosen not to participate.

This is not the AWCGC and I do not know what is has or is going on over there and it is not fair to cast dispersions on them in NWC.

So let stay calm and wait, we can all keep playing games and having fun.

So don't food poison anyone and play games...

All is cool Al. It is just a wargaming Club.... Everyone into the lobby for drinks and Liberace music.... Colin will dance the Peacock dance!!

Scott,

Do not try to take the high road, most likely you will fall off... I am cool and I am going to keep it that way and be positive with out any underhanded comments. I have yet to run away from command because I could not take anymore, because it is only a gaming club....

For the most part the cabinet is agreement on the coming rule changes. Issues that we have completed have been at worse 4 to 1 votes..

I did not insult another clubs or point our past disagreements within the cabinet or made out like it is nothing but arguing for the most part it is gentlemen having discussions.

So we get this done and let the members decide which direction they want to go...

Having fun and battling on

Rules be damned! I am here to destroy Napoleon and all those who support his French imperial ambitions. Don't get in my way and don't expect me to follow any rules when my sword is unsheathed!

Helga, some ale for my horse. Please?

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FM Sir 'Muddy' Jones, KG
2nd Life Guards, 1st Squadron, Household Cavalry
1st Duke of Uxbridge & Anglesey K.G.

Al,

It's fine ok. I don't care that much anymore. Just be patient. It'll take time to sort things out as it goes along. No underhanded comments were made or intended. Sorry if you read it that way. We should all be face to face. Be a lot easier.

My thoughts about some points mentioned here:

1. It is really too drastic to pull the emergency brake because one feels that the development of the new rules doesn't go the way he thinks it should or that they are even biased(what I doubt when most of the time 4 vote for and just 1 against it). Besides the fact that this was a futile attempt, at the end it all is in the hands of the club members anyway.

2. Maybe I missed that point in the rules but are the CiC of each side elected? If so the Allied side should simply make an election and either confirm the current CiC(and his actions) or elect a new one.

3. That the Allied CiC is "only" a representative in the cabinet seems OK for me, makes the national Armies of the Allies just like the were, most of the time simply not acting like one man. But the rules seem to indicate a different path, well maybe a point that needs more clarification.

4. Currently I don't see it necessary to change the way the cabinet handles things like working on the rules, if the majority votes for something it should be presented to the club members, as mentioned before its up to them in the end anyway. Although we might should think about balancing the sides in the cabinet(what can mean raising the amount of members in the cabinet), I don't think anyone on the cabinet acts biased but it simply ensures that even if this happens there would be a failsafe to prevent abuse of the cabinet. I guess that would calm down even the most paranoid members.

5. Also maybe the simple majority vote should be changed to each side having a vote that is dictated by their members, in that way no one could argue that one side has more members and with that the majority and so can dictate the direction of the club. Again that would calm down even the most worried players, also it would make sure that the voice of both sides weights the same what it should as as we can't dance without a willing partner.

6. No need to rush now, let the cabinet finalize the proposed rules and than present them to the club members, haste makes waste.

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