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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:45 am 
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I just wanted to post for my friends and colleagues that I fully endorse the new rules.

The principle change is around elections and the resultant fundamental changes to the clubs organisational structure.

I think having a voting process is overdue. I initially opposed this but have come around to the idea as I believe those who go through the election process will be the most motivated to take the club forward.

I have seen armies rise and fall in this club and in the end its the people who drive it. Contrary to Scott's view (which by the way I fully respect) I believe having the elections will widen the net of possible volunteers as more members will have a say in things and feel included.

This new approach will enable individuals who are interested in getting involved and bringing some passion to not have to wait to be invited by a select few members of the clubs older guard. No disrespect my friends but to me this is the case.

Elections are a necessary evil to make the club more inclusive and widen the base of volunteers. I can see many comparisons with the old system and pre revolutionary France. It's time to storm the bastille my friends change is upon us.....

In the end Churchill's phrase "democracy is the worst form of government apart from all the others" is very fitting

I have thought about this quite deeply and I hope my view may influence some of you to vote in favour of the new rules. I can see the club going forward more positively and most of all inclusively with this approach.

Should it fail we can always fall back to the old way.

"I see no downside in this experimentation with Liberty"

Kind regards to all
Colin

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:11 am 
I am not opposed to elections, but I think an issue I have with them is the process, what was a two month process now becomes parceled out in very short increments, over a month that is high vacation time for many. Though it clarifies the ambiguity that is in the current rules it also restricts the amount of time people have to act, therefore possibly eliminating people from participating due to a variety of issues. Note the dates:

3.4.5 – Election Procedures

The procedure for electing Club Cabinet members, Army Cabinet members, and Army Commanders is as follows:

1. The call for candidates runs from September 1 to September 7. A candidate may be nominated by another member, or may simply volunteer to stand for election of his own accord. A candidate must be currently ‘active’ in accordance with Section 2 of the Club Rules to stand for election. A public post will be placed in the Rhine Tavern by the Club President on August 31 calling for all candidates that wish to be considered for election. Candidates may be nominated, or respond to this post on their own, to have their names placed on the respective ballots. This method ensures that all candidates are publically known to the general membership. In the event that there is only one nominee at the close of the nomination period, that person wins the election without a vote.

2. Once the nomination period is closed, the nominees may post a campaign statement in the Rhine Tavern at their discretion. The campaign period runs from September 8 to September 14. During this period, the members may pose any questions they may have to any of the candidates. Such questions will be posted in the respective campaign statements in the Rhine Tavern so that they may be viewed by the general membership. The answers of the candidates shall be posted in a similar manner. It is expected that all questions and answers will be conducted in a professional manner for the benefit of our club, even when there exists a difference of opinion.

3. Once the campaign period is closed, the voting by the membership will be conducted. The voting period runs from September 15 to September 30. Only members who are currently ‘active’ in accordance with Section 2 of the Club Rules may vote. In order to cast a vote, the member must send an email to all five, current members of the Club Cabinet, clearly stating his choice of the candidates currently standing for election. Only one vote may be placed per member for each of the positions being considered for election.

4. Once the voting period is closed, the votes received will be tabulated independently by all five, current members of the Club Cabinet. The tallies will be compared and the final results announced to the membership by the Club President. A candidate is elected if he wins a majority of the votes cast by the applicable members.

Week long periods are bound to limit the whole process. My next post I will highlight what I made red here in what constitutes an "Active" member.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:30 am 
What constitutes an "Active" member. I highlight in red the majority of what the membership will fall under. In blue I highlight what a smaller portion of members will fall under, the rest is pointless for most.

Section 2.0 Membership

Membership in the NWC is totally free.

The club membership is divided into armies that represent the major powers of the Napoleonic Wars. Club members may only hold one active commission in one of the club’s armies at any given time, but are allowed to transfer between the various armies under certain conditions. Regardless of the army affiliation chosen, there are no restrictions on which side a member may play in a given battle. A member may play any side in any battle in which they are engaged. Whereas most members generally tend to play the same side as the army in which they are commissioned, this is not a requirement.

Role playing is encouraged to portray the natural rivalry and positions of the French and the Coalition. Friendly banter is encouraged, but rude and antagonistic behavior, or cheating, will not be tolerated.

It is expected that our members will actively contribute to the benefit of our club in some manner. In order for a member to be considered as ‘Active’ in the NWC, a minimum of one of the following conditions must be met at all times:

1. Maintains Regular Contact with Both His Superior, and Subordinate, Officers.

This is a requirement of leadership. It refers to the ‘active’ participation in the club’s chain of command. An officer would be ‘active’ under this criteria if he was mentoring and guiding his subordinates, while monthly reporting his activities in this regard to his superior officers so that they may remain well informed of his actions for the benefit of the officers under his direct command.
This is decidedly different from simply sending an Email Reply to a muster request which in itself is not sufficient grounds to be considered as ‘active’, as there is no benefit to our club from such an activity alone. This requirement is mandatory for all Army Commanders and Army Commanders in Chiefs.

2. Maintains a Registered Game in Play at All Times.

Games are an integral part of our club. Any officer that actually meets this criterion will certainly be considered ‘active’. To qualify, the game in play needs to be properly registered in the DoR System. Army, or Club, Command may request a copy of the email and game file exchanges between opponents at any time a question arises as to whether or not a game is actually in play.


3. Maintains our Club, or Army, Webpages.

The webpages of the NWC are maintained by a small pool of webmasters in accordance with Section 3.3 of the NWC Club Rules. Any officer that is performing these duties will be considered to be an ‘active’ officer, as our webpages are a direct benefit to all of our members.

4. Designing New Napoleonic Game Titles.

Although not directly contributing to our club, game designers are a critical component for the continuation of our hobby on which our club directly relies. Any officer that is actively employed designing new Napoleonic game titles will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

5. Playtesting New Napoleonic Game Titles.

This relates to Item #2 above, as playtesters will nearly always have several games in play at any given time. The difference is that these games cannot be registered as the scenarios are under development and considered secret at the time of playtesting. In this instance, a game file cannot generally be requested to verify the games in play, but these individuals are dedicating their time to ensure the future of our hobby, just like the game designers listed in Item #4 above. Any officer that is actively employed playtesting new Napoleonic game titles in conjunction with an ‘active’ game designer will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

6. Posting in Our Club’s Forums.

Like the interaction of our members during their games together, our forums are a major source of social interaction in our club. More than that, they serve as a visual element to pique the interest of potential new recruits which are always needed to replenish our ranks. Active forums keep our club interesting. Officers who regularly post in our forums contribute to this social interaction. Any officer that consistently places four informative or entertaining posts a month (i.e. one per week) will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

It should be noted that reading our forums is a passive activity, and would not, in itself, constitute active participation for the enhancement of our club. If no one actually posts, there is nothing whatsoever to read.


An ‘Active’ member will be allowed to post in the Club’s Forums, register games in the Club’s Department of Records (DoR) System, and will always retain the command of a unit in a specific army. Any member failing to meet the requirements of an ‘Active’ member, will be considered to be an ‘Inactive’ member. ‘Inactive’ members will have their Forum and DoR Accounts deactivated, and will be removed from the command of a specific unit and placed in the appropriate army’s reserves. The Forum and DoR Accounts of ‘Inactive’ members will be deactivated on the same day that the members are determined to be ‘Inactive’. ‘Inactive’ members will be removed from an ‘Active’ command and placed in the army’s reserves within two weeks if the member fails to subsequently meet the criteria of an ‘Active’ member as listed above.

Each member is required to submit a fully completed Recruitment Form to his Army Commander, with a copy to the Club’s Cabinet, before receiving a commission in the NWC. Any member that has been classified as ‘Inactive’, will also need to submit a fully completed Recruitment Form to his Army Commander, with a copy to the Club’s Cabinet, before being reinstated as an ‘Active’ member.




Now think about it and think about what I highlighted and made larger in black in the first entry. Is simply mustering no longer acceptable?? If folks have other things going on for a while, but still want to be members, are they to be removed per this statement?? I think clarification is needed on this. Number 2 is fine, but what happens if someone takes a break for a number of months to do other things?? This may be the only Club or activity for some, but not for all.

Number 6 you can't force participation, there will also be a fair portion of people who only wish to sit on the sidelines and play games.

What type of Club do we want is what we need to ask ourselves....do we want to have room for the casual gamer who could take it or leave it?? The majority of gamers out there are that person. This in my eyes creates a class system in the Club and though the intentions are good, I think can led to issues and confrontations and combined with aspects of the election process create a more closed off system. Unless you really are proactive in getting guys who have dropped off, if you happen to see them come back someplace else, the numbers will decline overtime. I can't state it enough, we are entering an age of decline. We need to be careful how we approach these matters.

I was on the AGEOD forums a month or two ago talking with the people there. AGEOD is a gamer maker and one our Club supports with Napoleon's Campaigns. The question posed to me, that you all should ask yourself was, "Why should I join your Club?" "The critical mass (meaning the place to go) for where the players of our games is here...."

Again just some extra things to think about as this process goes along.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:09 pm 
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"I am not opposed to elections, but I think an issue I have with them is the process, what was a two month process now becomes parceled out in very short increments, over a month that is high vacation time for many. Though it clarifies the ambiguity that is in the current rules it also restricts the amount of time people have to act, therefore possibly eliminating people from participating due to a variety of issues. Note the dates:"

Scott I agree perhaps this needs tweaking. I would however comment moving all of these kinds of things through quickly to avoid a lot of political stuff in the forums is better. I would suggest we leave this comment with the cabinet to tweak this area if they see fit.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:14 pm 
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Scott regarding active membership I think the key phrase is this the bit underlined is the key

"It is expected that our members will actively contribute to the benefit of our club in some manner. In order for a member to be considered as ‘Active’ in the NWC, a minimum of one of the following conditions must be met at all times:"

So if you are taking a break from playing you can remain active if you are posting still. If you don't like posting as long as you have a game active you are active and so on. Makes sense from what I can see unless I have missed something.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:53 pm 
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there are the "giants" of wargames here. i will certainly peruse the rules, which i have not had the time nor fortitude to do so recently.

my very own thoughts on this will be to "see" what those officers commenting here support, and as a "cog in la machine", i will vote accordingly.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:57 pm 
Colin Knox wrote:
"I am not opposed to elections, but I think an issue I have with them is the process, what was a two month process now becomes parceled out in very short increments, over a month that is high vacation time for many. Though it clarifies the ambiguity that is in the current rules it also restricts the amount of time people have to act, therefore possibly eliminating people from participating due to a variety of issues. Note the dates:"

Scott I agree perhaps this needs tweaking. I would however comment moving all of these kinds of things through quickly to avoid a lot of political stuff in the forums is better. I would suggest we leave this comment with the cabinet to tweak this area if they see fit.


True, but if you're going to get a political flareup, you're going to get it. That's another thing the Club will have to be willing to acknowledge in the process. It won't happen all the time, but it is bound to occur. That shouldn't stop elections from happening, no, but it will be a new dynamic. I am willing to deal with that though in favor of an elected process. I still think the membership needs to consider what time frames are acceptable to them. Some folks don't check their email every day, might have a busy week or something, come back and see they missed a chance to participate. Not so much an impact on the President's spot as that is every year, but it can have a wider impact on the other Cabinet spots and especially closer to home in their own armies. Two years is a fair chunk of time....


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:06 pm 
Colin Knox wrote:
Scott regarding active membership I think the key phrase is this the bit underlined is the key

"It is expected that our members will actively contribute to the benefit of our club in some manner. In order for a member to be considered as ‘Active’ in the NWC, a minimum of one of the following conditions must be met at all times:"

So if you are taking a break from playing you can remain active if you are posting still. If you don't like posting as long as you have a game active you are active and so on. Makes sense from what I can see unless I have missed something.


Indeed I concur, but watch the catch point in the posting aspect:

Any officer that consistently places four informative or entertaining posts a month (i.e. one per week) will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

What is the deciding factor of "informative" or "entertaining" and who decides that?? Now examine the results of the current ongoing French muster, look at the reasonable numbers of folks who have no games going currently, are not actively posting, but show desire and interest by logging in and responding to the muster call....are they all to be let go from the Club is the concern I have....

By the way I hope you know I am not trying to argue with you or be rough about this, not in the least..... :) The back and forth of the ideas is good I think, as everyone sees and reads the same things differently.....which is why I think more people should engage. You know I value your input very much Colin.... :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:08 pm 
Robert Noftz wrote:
there are the "giants" of wargames here. i will certainly peruse the rules, which i have not had the time nor fortitude to do so recently.

my very own thoughts on this will be to "see" what those officers commenting here support, and as a "cog in la machine", i will vote accordingly.

**salute**


Robert......we are all equal in our say in this, so don't be afraid top speak up and be heard....this is our time to do so and in a very, very limited window....whatever is approved will have a lasting impact for a very long time to come.... :)


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Scott Ludwig wrote:
I still think the membership needs to consider what time frames are acceptable to them. Some folks don't check their email every day, might have a busy week or something, come back and see they missed a chance to participate.


I would imagine that someone in the cabinet is going to send out reminder emails about the upcoming election period 3-4 weeks in advance. I'm sure arrangements could be made for someone to cast an absentee ballot if they are going to be away during the actual voting period.

Unless someone takes a 6 week vacation, I don't think they'll miss anything.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:22 pm 
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Scott Ludwig wrote:
Colin Knox wrote:
Scott regarding active membership I think the key phrase is this the bit underlined is the key

"It is expected that our members will actively contribute to the benefit of our club in some manner. In order for a member to be considered as ‘Active’ in the NWC, a minimum of one of the following conditions must be met at all times:"

So if you are taking a break from playing you can remain active if you are posting still. If you don't like posting as long as you have a game active you are active and so on. Makes sense from what I can see unless I have missed something.


Indeed I concur, but watch the catch point in the posting aspect:

Any officer that consistently places four informative or entertaining posts a month (i.e. one per week) will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

What is the deciding factor of "informative" or "entertaining" and who decides that?? Now examine the results of the current ongoing French muster, look at the reasonable numbers of folks who have no games going currently, are not actively posting, but show desire and interest by logging in and responding to the muster call....are they all to be let go from the Club is the concern I have....


I don't want to speak for the cabinet, but my guess would be that the language is in there that way so that people are not just spamming up the forum with posts like 'Hey. I just wanted to say hi.'


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:36 pm 
Mike Friedman wrote:
Scott Ludwig wrote:
I still think the membership needs to consider what time frames are acceptable to them. Some folks don't check their email every day, might have a busy week or something, come back and see they missed a chance to participate.


I would imagine that someone in the cabinet is going to send out reminder emails about the upcoming election period 3-4 weeks in advance. I'm sure arrangements could be made for someone to cast an absentee ballot if they are going to be away during the actual voting period.

Unless someone takes a 6 week vacation, I don't think they'll miss anything.


Reminders are a possibility, but lets note this past Presidential election, the issue of the mandatory muster was in play at the time and it took a bit longer for the Cabinet to announce that no one ran against Mark and he was still President. Not a huge issue, as I think we all generally knew he'd go unopposed, but something to note.

Absentee ballots are not used and I doubt would be an accepted thing due to issues of validation. I sat on the Cabinet the last time we had an actual election when Mark won against Pierre, it was enough to keep up with the actual votes, I can't imagine having an absentee system or a system of submitting a vote via someone else....


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:37 pm 
Mike Friedman wrote:
Scott Ludwig wrote:
Colin Knox wrote:
Scott regarding active membership I think the key phrase is this the bit underlined is the key

"It is expected that our members will actively contribute to the benefit of our club in some manner. In order for a member to be considered as ‘Active’ in the NWC, a minimum of one of the following conditions must be met at all times:"

So if you are taking a break from playing you can remain active if you are posting still. If you don't like posting as long as you have a game active you are active and so on. Makes sense from what I can see unless I have missed something.


Indeed I concur, but watch the catch point in the posting aspect:

Any officer that consistently places four informative or entertaining posts a month (i.e. one per week) will be considered an ‘active’ officer.

What is the deciding factor of "informative" or "entertaining" and who decides that?? Now examine the results of the current ongoing French muster, look at the reasonable numbers of folks who have no games going currently, are not actively posting, but show desire and interest by logging in and responding to the muster call....are they all to be let go from the Club is the concern I have....


I don't want to speak for the cabinet, but my guess would be that the language is in there that way so that people are not just spamming up the forum with posts like 'Hey. I just wanted to say hi.'


A valid point. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:46 pm 
So just a random thought I was sorting out in my mind. This is just a "what if" concept to maybe help see how these rules could interrelate with each other.

Say the "Active" concept comes into play. Then imagine if it was enforced. Think about the reduction in manpower that could potentially happen. Then think about how reorganization of commands would take place, the "possible" closure of Corps, Divisions et al. Maybe not in the French right away, but possible for the Coalition. Move that vision long term. Now add in the enforcement from the rules of: French officer promotions beyond the rank of General de Brigade are awarded only to those who assume a command position within the Grande Armee along with the appropriate administrative duties. Suppose the Coalition CiC decides to do the same on his side. Can you see the potential for upward mobility as an issue? Can you see that less flexibility leads to sustainability issues? The potential for an actual "Un-Napoleonic" concept, where people are not denied higher ranks because of who they are, just out of the fact that there is nowhere for them to go up to get it.....

I mentioned this in the Marshal's Baton post, in humorous nature, but it becomes an issue at some point... :) Something the Coalition decided to act on in the past.


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"Now add in the enforcement from the rules of: French officer promotions beyond the rank of General de Brigade are awarded only to those who assume a command position within the Grande Armee along with the appropriate administrative duties."

Hey Scott and by the way I am the same no offense intended.
This comment you made above is not a new thing. Its always been the way in the LGA. This is not a change.

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