Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

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Now that the rules are officially in place, I would like to know how as a corps commander I will be able to perform my duty.
It says for example that I have to maintain accurate records of the officers under my command.

Would it be possible to receive notifications from the system as corps commander so I would know when an officer is due for a medal or a change of rank? (knowing that the Odb is done by the system, and the email is supposedly updated by the member within the DoR system).

How do I ensure that my officers are active when they are not answering the quarterly muster?
How do I know that they are currently playing a game when I don't have access to that information?
How do I do to monitor the officers participating to forum discussions? How (if it's my responsibility) do I determine if the messages they wrote are "informative or entertaining posts"?
How should I track that there are 4 messages each month? Do I receive a forum activity report for the forum webmaster?

How do we perform our administrative duty when we can't even have access to the administrative part of the DoR at the corps level?

At last, would it be possible to have the officials club rules as a webpage and not a pdf document (pdf is not always pasting very well)?

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Salute!

Just as a reminder - not all of this is brand new - the former rules also included the reference to maintaining accurate records of their subordinate officers.

As has been discussed in the communications between LGA Corps commanders on the subject of musters, the necessity of mustering is still important to each officer, and the addendum of further activities are included for among other things, as an aid to the administrative task of determining whether someone is actually involved or not when they fail to communicate with their superior officers (see below):

Each Regiment/Battalion/Battery Commander:

• Serves as the leader of one Regiment, Battalion, or Battery within his army.
• Reports to his Brigade Commander on a monthly basis.
• Maintains accurate records for himself. This would include such things as OBD Points, Medals, Ranks and Email Address.

Again, this has a direct effect on an extremely small number of club members, who unlike the majority of members fail to somehow find their way to their own email accounts and let anyone know in the club that they joined of their own free will that they are quitting, or going on a year(s) long sabbatical from game playing (just look at all of the posts some members make in our public forums informing us how busy they are currently with work or other issues, and will be unavailable for a period of time for the games they have currently on-going, or are having computer issues - been there myself).

From the on-going discussions between LGA commanders, it remains the responsibility of the CiC and his Chef d'Etat-Major to have access to the battle records of officers (the same as it ever was before).

That said, I have long been an advocate for the club members to have access to the lists of on-going and completed battles of our fellow gamers - I've never seen a reason for it to be such a closely guarded secret...

I've noted other references in various posts to this subject, and perhaps this is something that will come about in the future.

If our CiC and his Chef d'Etat-Major find themselves having to make a determination about whether a seemingly absent officer is actually active, one of the tools available to them (and which I'm sure has been used in the past to determine when a member actually may have last posted - just as a means to see if they have been around) is to look for any such postings (using the search tools available on the forum pages).

Whether entertaining or informative - as has been pointed out in previous discussions in the forum on this matter - this really has to do with not counting as posting activity simply writing "hullo, how are you, and what is your name?" for example.

The CiC and Chef d'Etat-Major will no doubt provide their Corps commanders with the directions needed should their assistance be required in determining the active status of otherwise missing in action type of members.

As for the following: Maintains accurate records of officers in his command. This would include such things as OBD Points, Medals, Ranks and Email Addresses -

This sounds like a spread sheet recording the information that the Corps commander receives from LGA HQ.

As for: At last, would it be possible to have the officials club rules as a webpage and not a pdf document (pdf is not always pasting very well)?

I'll bet a pouch from a recently liberated Coalition quartermaster treasure chest that such a fancy web page will adorn our club walls soon enough - less of course you've heard whispers among the shadow-beings that pdf is the wave of the future...?

Regards,

Todd,

I already know what you think about it, I was part of those exchanges between corps commander in the French Army, your explanations at the time didn't convince me and that has not changed, sorry.

For now, it's true that it's only a small amount of officers who are not reporting but what will happen with the new rules since it's not mandatory to reply to the muster to be active? We are part of the chain of command (not just rubber-stamp everything that come to our desk), we have to assess the situation and anticipate instead of just react to whatever happen.

The new rules have been updated, improved and approved by the majority of members and I am thinking that there should not be anymore useless language as it used to be in the old rules.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Monsieur you could delegate the Brig Commanders to get the information and send to you or your ADC. It says one of the following like playing one game a year.

Isn't this the joys of middle management

Run the operation but you do not have access to all the tools in toolbox

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Général Art Ozols
3ème Régiment
2ème Division de Dragons
La Réserve de Cavalerie
La Grande Armée

Toolbox? You mean there is a toolbox!

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That's where my other concern is. I don't feel like I should feel the "joys of middle management" because I am in a gaming club. And some people with the new rules want to turn us as "efficient commanding officers" forgetting at the same time that those stepping up to help the club are here voluntarily and they want to play games, enjoy themselves and forget about the F@#$ing real world.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

as a new member in NWC, I find this is very discouraging.

I realize, months from now this will all be old news.

Having said that, I cannot see many guys wanting to step up and help out.

Those in the club today will have long memories...........me included.

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C.N.Matthews

Salute!

David G wrote: That's where my other concern is. I don't feel like I should feel the "joys of middle management" because I am in a gaming club. And some people with the new rules want to turn us as "efficient commanding officers" forgetting at the same time that those stepping up to help the club are here voluntarily and they want to play games, enjoy themselves and forget about the F@#$ing real world. :roll:

Okay, really?

As has been pointed out soooooooo (prefer this to expletives) many times before the listed responsibilities of the officers in the Club Rules are nearly identical to what they were in the old rules.

You also said: Todd, I already know what you think about it, I was part of those exchanges between corps commander in the French Army, your explanations at the time didn't convince me and that has not changed, sorry.

This answer of yours begs a few questions: you already know what I think about it? Okay... And I suppose I have a pretty good idea of what you think about this.... And you admit to being involved in the exchanges between the Corps commanders... so exactly who are you addressing with this thread? The other Corps commanders who were also involved in the communications along with our CiC and Chef d'Etat-Major? But then you know what they think and they know what you think... right?

So where does this leave us? You were addressing these issues you have raised to the club at large?
Which is fine - the club at large presumably does not know what you think about these matters - but then they don't know my views necessarily either - hence, my public response to your public post.

To carry the conversation forward: David, why don't you tell us what you did as a Corps commander under the old rules , and then list again what you feel you are being obligated to do under the current Rules.

Regards,

The new rules are supposed to be an improvement and the useless information removed otherwise why have new rules?
You always go back to the old rules as an example of imperfection.. they are gone and supposed to have been replaced by the improved ones...



I don't mind you answering to my initial post, and I am not stopping you from doing so (and I don't have that power).

And that's correct, I raise this issue for the club at large and more particularly to all the Corps commanders in the club, therefore the title.




How telling you what I was doing under the old rules would carry the conversation forward?

What I can tell you is that the more we are advancing in time and less freedom we have.

In the old days if an officer wanted to have his own website to represent his unit, it was OK. That's what I did when I was brigade commander. I wanted to do it as Corps commander but have been told that it was better to have conformity between all the corps of the same army and before I was ready to create my own corps website one had already been created. With that I lost even the possibility to update the state of my corps. It's done by our Chef d'Etat-Major (and I have to say I have nothing bad to say against the great job done by Al).

I don't mind having something to do as corps commander (that's why I said yes when I was asked if I wanted to take over after Dominik) but I realize that even if in the rules we are still asked to do something there is no way we can do it effectively.

I have been making serious demands in my first post. And I feel that our leadership (I mean the Cabinet since it is now the governing body of the club) doesn't really care about it.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Salute!

David G wrote: I have been making serious demands in my first post. And I feel that our leadership (I mean the Cabinet since it is now the governing body of the club) doesn't really care about it.

I believe your questions around these issues are certainly deserving of being asked and answered.
As you consider these serious demands which you imply should be answered by the Cabinet (which you further imply doesn't really care about it), I have to ask, did you send these questions directly to the Cabinet members in a private message - which would ensure they are all fully aware of your concerns?

Or, is the only way all of the Cabinet members are going to be aware that you are asking a question of them is if/when they are actually individually in the forums and taking the time to read each and every thread/post being made?

You sound impatient to get a response from the Cabinet to this thread - a response that can only be forthcoming once all of the Cabinet members are aware of the question(s) being asked - and then have taken the time as a group to discuss them and formulate an answer...

And you say: You always go back to the old rules as an example of imperfection.. they are gone and supposed to have been replaced by the improved ones...

What I said was: the listed responsibilities of the officers in the Club Rules are nearly identical to what they were in the old rules.

Nowhere does this express that the old rules were imperfect... in fact, it is simply pointing out that in this specific example there is little to no difference between the current and the former rules.

You ask:How telling you what I was doing under the old rules would carry the conversation forward?

You indicated previously that: I don't feel like I should feel the "joys of middle management" because I am in a gaming club. And some people with the new rules want to turn us as "efficient commanding officers" forgetting at the same time that those stepping up to help the club are here voluntarily and they want to play games, enjoy themselves and forget about the F@#$ing real world.

This appears to imply that you feel the obligations you have as a Corps commander under the current rules are vastly different and more time consuming than the responsibilities required of one under the old rules.

Therefore, I asked what are the differences that are so time consuming as to affect one's ability to play games?

Regards,

How do I sound impatient on a forum where we only write?


We are talking about 2 different things again... the old rules and the new rules. With the old rules they were in existence on paper but not always followed, it was more at the discretion of the Army commander.
Now we have a new set of rules, voted and accepted by the majority of the club, therefore they have more legitimacy (in my mind at least). So we have responsibilities that I accept to have as a CC but at the same time I don't have the proper tools to do it (easily).



And I was not saying that I don't have the time to play my games. I do. I could have more time if I wasn't working. But that's another story.

What I am saying is that we are moving from a club of people enjoying themselves while playing and pretending the be part of armies to a club with "costumer service" mentality. I like to do things because I like to do them. Otherwise I get paid for doing my job. Do you see what I mean? That's the feeling I was trying to convey here:

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Salute!

David G wrote: How do I sound impatient on a forum where we only write?

My bad - When I read: I have been making serious demands in my first post. And I feel that our leadership (I mean the Cabinet since it is now the governing body of the club) doesn't really care about it. - I thought you were impatiently awaiting a response from the Cabinet.

But I guess you simply meant - the Cabinet... doesn't really care about it -

My apologies.

Regards,

That I choose to post on the forum shouldn't make it less important than if I was sending an email. Last time I sent an email to all the members of the cabinet only one of them answered. So I guess I already know that for the majority of them they don't take me seriously even if what I am saying may make some sens from time to time.

I have seen at least ONE member of the Cabinet present on this forum and answering someone question about problem with the DoR this morning. So I am sure that my messages on this board can easily be seen and read.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx