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 Post subject: Re: New Coalition CIC
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:36 am 
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Spot on also wrote a poem called "The Hunting of the Snark" :o (sorry)

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well i might not be the brightest bulb on the christmas tree, but i do flicker once in a while :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: New Coalition CIC
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:30 pm 
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Jim Hall wrote:
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It appears some French Officers have an opinion on whom our C in C should be.

For those Coalition officers who wish to participate in a relevant discussion in the correct Forum please try “The Coalition Arms” where they will discover a resolution is in hand.



I look forward to seeing who is elected as your CiC. Whoever it is, I wish them the best, except on the field of battle of course, where I wish them nothing but abject failure.

And for the record, I have no opinion on who that should be, only the manner in which some people ousted your former one without letting y'all simply have your vote.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:57 pm 
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And for the record, I have no opinion on who that should be, only the manner in which some people ousted your former one without letting y'all simply have your vote.


Nothing whatsoever prevented Marco from staying in the club and standing for the vote for the Coalition Commander in Chief which is currently underway. :roll: :wink: :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:17 pm 
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Do you mean that the Coalition has already its candidates?

When will we see the Candidates posts in the Rhine Tavern (as specified in the new rules 3-4-5-2)?

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MCJones1810 wrote:
Jeff Bardon wrote:
And for the record, I have no opinion on who that should be, only the manner in which some people ousted your former one without letting y'all simply have your vote.


Nothing whatsoever prevented Marco from staying in the club and standing for the vote for the Coalition Commander in Chief which is currently underway. :roll: :wink: :mrgreen:


But you ousted him from the role, and then manufactured a completely unnecessary cabinet vote on his "reinstatement" instead of simply leaving it alone and letting a democratic vote of the coalition membership decide things. That was very poorly handled all around. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :(

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:15 am 
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Gentlemen

Patience, those willing to stand first need to step forward, a process to be held in the comfort of The Coalition Arms. Seems strange that Mr Snowdon got into so much trouble about being open given the attitude of French Officer here. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: New Coalition CIC
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:31 am 
Jeff Bardon wrote:
But you ousted him from the role, and then manufactured a completely unnecessary cabinet vote on his "reinstatement" instead of simply leaving it alone and letting a democratic vote of the coalition membership decide things. That was very poorly handled all around. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :(


A democratic vote of the Coalition membership is deciding things. Marco could certainly have stood for the vote, but decided to quit instead. That was entirely his choice, no one made it for him. :o :shock: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:33 am 
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MCJones1810 wrote:
Jeff Bardon wrote:
But you ousted him from the role, and then manufactured a completely unnecessary cabinet vote on his "reinstatement" instead of simply leaving it alone and letting a democratic vote of the coalition membership decide things. That was very poorly handled all around. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :(


A democratic vote of the Coalition membership is deciding things. Marco could certainly have stood for the vote, but decided to quit instead. That was entirely his choice, no one made it for him. :o :shock: :roll:



Mark, your position is the height of absurdity. Keep repeating it as a mantra if you like. It won't make it any better.

You chose to escalate the matter and strip him of the title and office, instead of having a discussion about your respective positions and asking him to make the choice ("hey Marco, you can't not participate in the cabinet and still remain as CiC, so the majority of the cabinet feels you either need to resign the position or participate.) Since almost nothing was posted in the cabinet forum during the period that he packed up his proverbial ball and went home, it's not like anything was really going on anyway.

You choose to ignore the fact that Marco was the CiC, but you denied him the chance to stand for re-election in that role in the scheduled vote this year.

You chose to one up one man's immature act with one of your own.

You choose to ignore the fact that it was you who deleted his name from the list of cabinet officers before any vote of any kind had occurred.

You choose to ignore the fact that you barred him from the cabinet discussion until you had a chance to review his "reinstatement" with the rest of the cabinet.

Congratulations on successfully playing the semantics game well enough to convince others of your position. I find it sad and a disappointment that immediately after conducting a vote to institute new rules that include opening club command positions to election, the first action that the majority of the cabinet takes is to make up a new rule interpretation and force someone out.

You made the determination that his act of pique amounted to a resignation but could not be bothered to actually have a discussion with him to try and resolve your obvious differences on the interpretation of the role of CiC and the cabinet as a required duty. Someone needed to be the adult in the room and have a mature discussion to resolve the difference so the expectation was clear going forward. Unfortunately, no one stepped up and did so. There is a time to be a stubborn disciplinarian, but this wasn't it. When we needed cooler heads to prevail, we got heated words and frustrated hasty actions.

I've seen the comments about if he isn't going to fulfill his duty as a cabinet member, he can't be CiC. If he isn't going to do one of the job requirements, it amounts to a de facto resignation. Really? If someone doesn't do all their listed duties then they have effectively resigned even if they never actually state the words "I resign?" Well, the rules under which the president was elected previously required a quarterly submission of an article to a club newsletter. Since that never happened, does that mean that we've been operating without a club president for years? Oh no!! And, the club secretary is required to submit reviews of new game titles, and that hasn't happened in years either. OMG! And those are duties that are or were specifically enumerated and not an interpretation.

So, I'll repeat, I look forward to the coalition choosing it's next CiC, via a democratic election. It's the heavy handed manner used to create the current opening that I find objectionable.

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 Post subject: Re: New Coalition CIC
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:42 am 
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davidguegan wrote:
Do you mean that the Coalition has already its candidates?

When will we see the Candidates posts in the Rhine Tavern (as specified in the new rules 3-4-5-2)?


As for my question... Are we going to know who are the candidates since the NEW rules say that the announcements are made in the Rhine Tavern?

Or is it going to be business as usual?
I think whatever Mr Hall thinks it's a legitimate question since the new rules say it's the way it should be. Or I am the only one who is keeping the rules on the bedside :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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A candidate must be currently ‘active’ in accordance with Section 2 of the Club Rules to stand for election. A public post will be placed in the Rhine Tavern by the Club President on August 31 calling for all candidates that wish to be considered for election. Candidates may be nominated, or respond to this post on their own, to have their names placed on the respective ballots. This method ensures that all candidates are publically known to the general membership. In the event that there is only one nominee at the close of the nomination period, that person wins the election without a vote.


I guess we can trow out the dates of the elections... since it's an early election.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:47 am 
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Nice post Monsieur Bardon, I will add that it's kind of funny that we usually get the "we are all in the same club and club members before armies members" but it seems to apply only for the French side. When it's the Coalition, it's ONLY a coalition matter.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:01 am 
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Why is it the same people, over and over and over?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:25 am 
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Red Nemesis wrote:
Why is it the same people, over and over and over?


Frankly I could ask the same question... :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: So that's not really a valid argument. :twisted: :twisted:

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