Napoleonic Wargame Club (NWC)

Dave since there was so great of a number who didn't care one way or the other so be it. This is not a nation but a place to relax. I say those who put so much on politics should join a political party and work there the person who gets off playing and winning well I feel for them find a life. I play because I am to old to do anything else, if I win or lose I really not into a ego. I much to busy looking good at 67.

First of all my name isn't Dave... then I am not like you think talking politics I am talking about the club.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Oh sorry David my error , what about the club is it going somewhere don't you think by now people are tired about all this back and forth. I am upset about the whole thing maybe I need to find me a place to relax and not here. I won my second fight against cancer and who needs this any way ...

You can always not look at those topics.
And beside that I am also glade you're still around with us.

And like I said I am not trying to start a fight or refight the last election, I am just looking at what can be done to have more than 49% of the club voting.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

I fully understand Général Guégan, seeing a participation on such a low level worries me too.
In my country the last big vote achieved a participation of just over 70% and that was politics, personally I can't understand that the club members don't care more about a place where they feel comfortable and pull out joy, knowledge, new friends, etc. compared to voting on a thing best described as a "annoying & useless business" where usually not much changes at all, with this club it's simply not like I could pack my bags go to the next Napoleon Wargaming Club if this one drops dead.

Besides the lower than politics level of participation I'm especially worried about the fact that not even the 50% mark was hit, regarding politics there was a discussion some time ago if such a low participation could still be considered a democratic process, as usual those TV smartasses couldn't agree on anything but personally in our case I think that it just can't be that the minority of the club decides the direction the club is heading to.

But to my shame I must also admit that I don't know what could be done to raise the level of participation, if they don't care about what is going on here and don't care about getting some points for free we maybe have to think about some totally different approach to raise the members participation.

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maybe have to think about some totally different approach to raise the members participation.

Great! Any suggestions?

Mark this question is for you, could you explain what you mean by your statement please?

I don't think we are voting like in real life. We are voting for club stuff. So I don't what interest some people (not knowing who could temper the vote) would have to change the result.



The voting system was introduced in 2011, ok, is this the main argument for not changing it?

We just went through an enormous change of the club rules that were established over a few years and it didn't stop the club from doing so. Change is good.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Because many minds work better than a few, this topic that I reanimated was meant exactly for that. I don't have the silver bullet but maybe if we can work all together for a new solution that would be great.

I prefer trying to improve things than be satisfied by less than 50% results.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't vote because there is a lot of difficult stuff going on in my life at the moment and I just didn't have the time or energy to wade through all the huge amount of information relating to the proposed changes, or the resulting debates, to make an informed judgement, and I certainly didn't have time to explain myself if I happened to disagree with a proposal (not that I did disagree). Respect to those who spent a lot of time formulating the ideas and contributing to the discussion, but it was just too much for me to get to grips with. I'm not criticising the process, I'm just telling you why I didn't get involved. By the way, I always vote in real world political elections and am not a passive person when it really matters!

Further to the above, the unpleasant undercurrents, politics and general sourness that seems to characterise the club forum these days just puts me off getting involved. So much of what is said and done seems to stoke up personal disagreements and factional ructions, and I just don't need any of that. I come here for relaxation, fun and camaraderie. Please note, I'm not taking sides or blaming any individuals, you are all good guys, I'm just saying what I see. Hopefully this will all settle down soon...

It's not that I don't care about the club. I've been here since 1998 and still love being a member here and playing some excellent opponents, and enjoying the camaraderie. I also have huge respect for those who are devoting their time and energy to running and improving the club. I know from my experience helping out with the ACWGC that it can be hard and often thankless work. Just one person's perspective...

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Dear David

I think you perhaps you were dissatisfied with the result not the 50%

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Jim Hall
Field Marshall
Commander Anglo-Allied Army

Dear Jim,

I won't stop you from thinking what you want to think, you know I am not Big Brother. But, if the only argument I am going to get is "you're saying that because you're a bad looser" then I think you need to move on.

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

My interpretation is that David is looking for ways to improve response from members.
I have no ideas myself and it may just be that some do not care about anything except playing games.

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Why not disband any Army that not interested in the club put the ones that are in other Armies ranks and titles remove and then maybe they would consider joining in. Post now in then make a three month muster leave your battle report with your commanding officer ex( I am playing 1813 #13 am winning)how long did that take. Or am out of work training for a new job or am just not interested in being in this club and rebuild from that.

Well as sex always works, we simply have to find a nice lady(of course in a historical correct outfit) & a photographer for the next vote and every time the accounted votes hit 10%, 20%, 30% etc. the photographer takes a picture of the lady, and as we race for the 100% we see more lady and less cloths each time we hit a new mark.
And if that doesn't we should ask that little fat boy in North Korea who he "motivates" his voters.

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I think it's the best idea so far...

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Général David Guegan

3ème Régiment de Grenadiers - Bataillon d'élite du 3ème Légère
2ème Brigade
Grenadiers de la Réserve
Réserve
La Grande Armée
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"From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step."
Napoléon Bonaparte

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx